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  #3000246 23-Nov-2022 11:58
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MikeB4:

 

The press need to stop calling this clown the founder of Tesla

 

 

Or SpaceX, or PayPal, none of which he founded.


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  #3000350 23-Nov-2022 14:24
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Re Paypal...
Apparently 
Elon's big break was when he was when his pal Peter Thiel fired him while Elon was on his honeymoon?

 

Peter Thiel and rest of management team then put Paypal on a more 'solid' path.
Batted away more modest offers based on some of the issues early Paypal had, managed to IPO and cashed in big time when acquired by Ebay.

 

Elon kinda got a free ride, fired, but due to his % of shares got a huge payday a bit later.
This then was steppingstone to larger things for him.

 

Like buying his way into founding a certain company or two.
It says a lot about him that he specifically chased recognition as 'founder'.
Being reinventor was just not good enough.

 

Then you have the solar venture and air hockey tables in vacuum tubes, and tiny tunnels.

 

Then there is occupying a planet with no magnetic field, open to solar wind that constantly erodes what is left.
Never mind what exposure to highly energized particles has done to the surface.
Plus the mammoth resources required to transport tons of equipment and constant support.
There are plenty of toxic landfills you could live on more comfortably on earth.


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  #3000351 23-Nov-2022 14:24
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Wait, he didn't?

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  #3000355 23-Nov-2022 14:38
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I can certainly see going to Mars for science and exploration, but a colony doesn't make much sense to me. The moon seems far more sensible for something like that. Mars is deceptive because it looks almost familiar and has a 24 hour day, but you still need a space suit just as thick and you can't stay outside your protective habitat for long. 

 

 





Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

 


 


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  #3000359 23-Nov-2022 14:52
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Rikkitic:

 

I can certainly see going to Mars for science and exploration, but a colony doesn't make much sense to me. The moon seems far more sensible for something like that. Mars is deceptive because it looks almost familiar and has a 24 hour day, but you still need a space suit just as thick and you can't stay outside your protective habitat for long. 

 

 

I agree. Absent nuclear power, I can't see a sustainable colony anywhere in our solar system.  With nuclear power (edit: or a hydrogen energy system with fuel skimmed from Jupiter) perhaps a spartan self-sustaining colony could be established on one of Jupiter's ice moons.





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  #3000362 23-Nov-2022 15:16
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MikeAqua:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I can certainly see going to Mars for science and exploration, but a colony doesn't make much sense to me. The moon seems far more sensible for something like that. Mars is deceptive because it looks almost familiar and has a 24 hour day, but you still need a space suit just as thick and you can't stay outside your protective habitat for long. 

 

 

I agree. Absent nuclear power, I can't see a sustainable colony anywhere in our solar system.  With nuclear power (edit: or a hydrogen energy system with fuel skimmed from Jupiter) perhaps a spartan self-sustaining colony could be established on one of Jupiter's ice moons.

 

 

There is no Planet B in the near future or very distant future, logistic and the environment of space precludes that despite the dreams of the likes of Elon Musk. He knows that but the promise of more billions will keep the dream perpetuating.


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  #3000364 23-Nov-2022 15:55
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Stuff :In Dublin, it's Elon Musk versus the housing market

At Twitter's European headquarters, surviving employees have one big problem with Elon Musk's demand that everyone must return to the office: finding somewhere to live.

Dublin, the Irish capital where the tech firm has an office that had about 500 employees, is in the midst of a housing crisis driven by chronic undersupply of new homes and a mass exodus of private landlords. Prices recently topped the peak they reached in 2007, shortly before an economic crash that almost bankrupted the nation.

Musk's order prompted complaints on Twitter that it's impossible to simply move to Dublin and start working from the office. The Twitter CEO clarified in a tweet that employees are allowed to work from home for reasons of logistics, personal matters or "if their manager vouches for excellence".
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The Spin Off NZ: Elon Musk’s Twitter immolation, according to the New Zealander who worked for him

The timeline is mayhem, and the big, volatile mouth at the top is for real. Elon Musk is not playing 10-dimensional chess, nor contriving a persona for Twitter – he’s the same in real life, says Hamish McKenzie, the New Zealander who once worked for the billionaire entrepreneur and subsequently wrote a book about the man and his electric car colossus Tesla. “The guy he is on Twitter at the moment is pretty much who he is. I don’t think he’s hiding anything.”

Since completing a strange and ultimately reluctant takeover of Twitter less than a month ago, Musk has set about his work like a flamethrower seeking out fuses. Impulse sackings and ultimatums, a flurry of diktats and tweaks to the business model, the summary reinstatement of Donald Trump’s account based on a user poll. And all of it playing out before a mesmerised, mocking gallery on the very toy he just paid US $44bn for. Elon was meant to own Twitter, not the other way round.

Call it crazed genius or atomic grade hubris, the world’s richest human is chronicling the chaos as he goes, in bursts of 280 characters or fewer. “You see all of it. The sensitivity. The callousness. The humour. The boldness. The unforgiving analytical view of things,” says McKenzie. “All of it is on display.”
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  #3000390 23-Nov-2022 17:17
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CYaBro: Twitter added 1.6M daily active users in the last week, an all-time high.

So I guess he’s doing something right.


People love rubbernecking.


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  #3000393 23-Nov-2022 17:41
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Batman: Wait, he didn't?

 

Didn't what? Found PayPal? Nope, he founded x.com (using money from his family's apartheid South African diamond mine), which merged with Confinity (the Peter Thiel side of the business), at which point Thiel fired Musk, and the story above played out.

 

He then bought into Tesla, which already had a car in production (which was ludicrously expensive, but cool) and sued the real founders to force them to recognise him as a founder, and grew the business off the back of ridiculous amounts of US government subsidies, and working his employees into the ground.

 

Then he used his control of Tesla to buy an overvalued and unprofitable solar business called SolarCity, which was coincidentally owned by a family member.

 

Then he bought into Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, called himself the founder and acted like it was all him instead of the engineering team led by Robert Mueller putting rockets in space.

 

He's an incredibly unethical businessman.


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  #3000443 23-Nov-2022 17:50
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Rikkitic:

I can certainly see going to Mars for science and exploration, but a colony doesn't make much sense to me. The moon seems far more sensible for something like that. Mars is deceptive because it looks almost familiar and has a 24 hour day, but you still need a space suit just as thick and you can't stay outside your protective habitat for long. 

 

 

The worst thing about Mars is that it's nearly impossible to safely land on, there's neither a hard vacuum like the moon nor full atmosphere like earth where you can use it to slow your descent, there's just enough present for any conventional landing technique not to work. Dropping astronauts onto the surface inside a giant airbag isn't going to be a recipe for success.

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  #3000446 23-Nov-2022 17:54
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MikeAqua: With nuclear power (edit: or a hydrogen energy system with fuel skimmed from Jupiter) perhaps a spartan self-sustaining colony could be established on one of Jupiter's ice moons.

 

 

NASA actually had a start on that planned with the Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter (JIMO) which was perfectly set up for the purpose. It was the biggest advance in space travel since the 1960s, but like virtually everything else they do it was cancelled before it got anywhere.

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  #3000910 24-Nov-2022 14:50
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Geektastic: According to the NZ Productivity Commission, NZ has longer work hours and lower productivity than the USA.

 

 

How are they measuring productivity though? There are several measures that include imaginary stock values and similar that make everyone less productive than the US because no-one can create fantasy value as well as they can. In terms of actual industrial production, the US doesn't rate that highly if you take something like person-hours worked vs. input vs. output.

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  #3000913 24-Nov-2022 14:54
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Sideface:

 

 

Pointed out in another forum, Musk is a technocrat with terrible, some would probably say appalling, interpersonal, i.e. social, skills. Taking a social network and thinking you can make it work by applying engineering practice is never going to work, but Musk can't see that because he has next to no social skills. The value of social engineering networks like Twitter is the "social", not the "engineering", and Musk has no grasp of that because social anything is a blind spot for him.

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  #3000922 24-Nov-2022 15:24
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i don't understand the title of the thread ... does someone here think he's a god? there are better gods to worship


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