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sir1963
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  #3394714 16-Jul-2025 21:22
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Bluntj:

 

sir1963:

 

" Luxon says outcomes matter, defends shift to private surgeries"

 

 

 

And I agree, what it which outcome is important.

 

If the outcome was to have a world class hospital system, then funding should go into that to make it work.

 

If the outcome was to start down that path of privatised healthcare, then the is where he is headed.

 

The outcome for patients is kind of the meat in the middle of this sandwich , and I do NOT want a privatised healthcare system, it will simply cost MUCH more with no real term benefits.

 

Stop the block of cheese tax cuts, kill of the road cone hot line waste of money, and start doing your job as to what is best for ALL kiwis irrespective of your political bias. Sacrificing the poor for the benefit of the wealthy is NOT where we need to go.

 

 

I may be wrong, but I thought they are using private hospitals to boost surgeries to try and reduce public lists. I didnt see it as  a permanent thing.

 

 

And if you keep underfunding, under resourcing, delaying improvements...it becomes permanent by default.

 

Every $ spent on private hospitals is a $ not spent on public hospitals

 

Every $ spent on private doctors simply encourages doctors to work privately for more money and fewer hours.




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  #3394726 17-Jul-2025 06:16
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sir1963:

 

Every $ spent on private doctors simply encourages doctors to work privately for more money and fewer hours.

 

 

If they can't make the money and work fewer hours here then we stand a reasonable chance of losing them overseas where they can.

 

If there's one industry/professionals we probably shouldn't be trying to guilt into working more hours, it's medical personnel and doctors. 


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  #3394736 17-Jul-2025 08:07
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GV27:

 

sir1963:

 

Every $ spent on private doctors simply encourages doctors to work privately for more money and fewer hours.

 

 

If they can't make the money and work fewer hours here then we stand a reasonable chance of losing them overseas where they can.

 

If there's one industry/professionals we probably shouldn't be trying to guilt into working more hours, it's medical personnel and doctors. 

 

 

 

 

I believe it was Simeon Brown a month or two back scoffing along the lines of "I think you'll find doctors already get paid pretty well, you know" when asked why we weren't paying them more to stop them moving to Australia. Well, Simeon, as a card-carrying member of the Big Business Party you should be well aware that it's not about whether they are already well paid, it's about whether they can get even more well paid somewhere else.





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  #3395314 18-Jul-2025 12:27
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I just don't understand the idea of flogging someone for not working more hours as if there's some obligation to an underlying greater good, which just happens to perfectly align with the personal political preferences of whomstever is making the argument that one exists.


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  #3395318 18-Jul-2025 12:42
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GV27:

 

I just don't understand the idea of flogging someone for not working more hours as if there's some obligation to an underlying greater good, which just happens to perfectly align with the personal political preferences of whomstever is making the argument that one exists.

 

 

 

 

Remember this is the same government that just amended the law to allow employers to dock pay for employees who decide to work to rule.

 

All of us work because we need to eat, and all of us (at least sometimes) go the extra mile because of that unwritten obligation to the underlying greater good ... but you have to be increasingly desperate not to see all this pattern of behaviour as anything other than the first steps in the well worn recipe for privatisation.





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  #3396721 24-Jul-2025 08:56
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SaltyNZ:

 

... but you have to be increasingly desperate not to see all this pattern of behaviour as anything other than the first steps in the well worn recipe for privatisation.

 

 

I'm sure John Key will privatise ACC any second now. 


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  #3396722 24-Jul-2025 08:58
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The whole story about butter prices is a shambles. It represents the economic policies of this government well.





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  #3396728 24-Jul-2025 09:08
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"Blame supermarkets for high butter prices, not Fonterra, says Nicola Willis person who worked for Fonterra before joining the government"

 

FTFY.





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  #3396733 24-Jul-2025 09:16
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I'm not annoyed by the fact that NZ butter prices reflect the international market. I understand that farmers are business people and it is the rational decision, in their own best interests, to charge us the same as they charge overseas customers. Demanding otherwise would have the National Party screaming about communists and the entire ACT Party dying off in an inexplicable wave of cranial aneurysms, so I really don't know why anyone expected Nicola Willis to put the hard word on Fonterra, former staffer or not.

 

What annoys me is when there's a massive flood, or drought, and then they turn around and demand special sympathy because they're the heartland who feeds New Zealand. No, we've been over that: New Zealand is just another customer, you were very clear about it. You get the same sympathy as any other big business. Which is not "no sympathy". Merely, "spare me the histrionics".





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  #3396737 24-Jul-2025 09:24
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Except a friend tells me it's cheaper to buy NZ butter in Canada than in Wellington. Considering transport impacts and costs, it's... weird.





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  #3396752 24-Jul-2025 10:02
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freitasm:

 

The whole story about butter prices is a shambles. It represents the economic policies of this government well.

 

 

Agreed, it's ridiculous. And I agree with you re transportation costs - factoring in all that, how is NZ butter cheaper in Canada?

 

All that meeting was (IMO) was an exercise in deflection and passing the buck...Willis won't lift a finger to make things easier for consumers.

 

Nor will this guy: 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/deputy-prime-minister-david-seymour-defends-high-butter-prices-highlights-benefits-for-farmers/JUGRNJDCJ5AF5LRZPZAXSM22ZM/

 

Although many shoppers are feeling this at the checkout, Seymour told Herald NOW’s Ryan Bridge that prices are set overseas and we should be happy about the money lining farmers’ pockets.

 

Oh yes, I can barely afford to buy butter made in NZ, I'm over the moon 😠


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  #3396866 24-Jul-2025 19:23
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/567913/fonterra-boss-rejects-idea-of-discounted-butter-prices-for-new-zealanders

 

This guy doesn't give a crap, he's on about $6m a year, he couldn't care less what we pay for butter, as long as he collects his millions in salary every year, he can afford all the butter in the world.

 

I'm sure he'll sleep well tonight 🙄

 

Totally tone-deaf to his customers.

 

As to Willis blaming the supermarkets, last time I checked we still only had 2 main chains 12-18 months ago and butter prices weren't sky-high back then. It's not like Costco setup nationwide outlets overnight or something. She also sounds tone-deaf to me - and her reasoning sounds like a very weak excuse to justify high prices.

 

[Foodstuffs CEO Chris] Quin said while tough for households, strong global dairy prices were "ultimately good for New Zealand's economy".

 

Yeah, I'm not feeling that vibe, eh.


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  #3396883 24-Jul-2025 20:46
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Fonterra: gets a massive taxpayer subsidy by being exempt from the ETS. Also Fonterra: no, we couldn't possibly give you a small discount, what are we, some sort of charity?





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  #3396893 24-Jul-2025 20:53
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Socialise the loss, privatise the profit. 





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The bit that annoys me when farmers have their hands out for times of drought or flood is that these are relatively rare occurrences. Other businesses have to plan for ups and downs throughout their business lifecycle, its not all champagne parties on their private yachts, yet farmers seem to hold themselves differently.

 

To truly gauge whether or not we are being ripped off in NZ for the price of butter, I guess we'd need to understand the size of exports vs NZ. Looking at Fonterra's PR page, they export 95% of product, that makes the domestic market a very small aspect of their operation.

 

If Canada (in the example above which I 100% believe to be true) buys x million tons of NZ butter, I suspect this is likely to be significantly more than what Fonterra sells locally (based on population), they should enjoy a price premium (discount for volume).

 

 


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