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#3182737 16-Jan-2024 15:42

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I'm sure everyone's already picked up on this fact

Iowa is a terrible predictor for Republican candidates to go on to win the presidency.

From 1976 to 2016, there was only once that Iowa got it correct: in 2000 with George W Bush.

In 2016, they picked Ted Cruz

In 2020, they picked Trump

So hopefully 2024 will hopefully continue the pattern of picking loser Republicans.

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#3182741 16-Jan-2024 16:08

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Indeed, Iowa is no predictor. It's just the first primary in the country.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/previewing-the-iowa-caucus/

The caucus has a spotty history of voting for the eventual nominee, particularly on the Republican side, although Donald Trump is a big favorite both in Iowa and nationally. Ron DeSantis is under the most pressure to perform, as he has basically bet his entire campaign on Iowa.

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#3182760 16-Jan-2024 18:58

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RawStory - Internet roasts Trump for claiming he won the Iowa Caucus 'twice'

Trump's rewriting his winning record.

Hours before the Iowa caucuses, he stepped down a staircase of the Hotel Fort Des Moines and, for a moment, offered his prognostication: "We’ve won it twice, as you know; I think we’re going to have a tremendous night."

False. The 45th president, while the victor in the state back in 2020, didn't take home the victory back in 2016 - Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) did.

and now:

Donald Trump wins big victory. (I suspect that the photographer is a Democrat ☺️)

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#3182776 16-Jan-2024 20:13

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As seen around the web tonight...

Funny how Vivek in a few days went from this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/10/vivek-ramaswamy-disqualified-debate-iowa-republican-campaign

McLaughlin said: “The mainstream media may be quick to write our obituary but that’s because they’re oblivious to the facts on the ground. We’re going to finish in the top three. Mark my words.”

...to this: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/15/politics/vivek-ramaswamy-ends-presidential-campaign/index.html

Biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy ended his campaign for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination Monday night after a disappointing finish in the Iowa caucuses.

I guess his campaign manager's words aren't worth much then, are they? 🙄

Also governor of Illinois JB Pritzker makes a good point here: https://www.meidastouch.com/news/pritzker-almost-half-of-gop-base-rejected-trump-in-show-of-weakness

"Almost half of the base of the Republican party showing up for this caucus tonight voted against Trump. Think about that," Pritzker said, as Trump hovered around 50% of the vote with more results still to be determined.

So Trump still has his base, yes, but a reasonable number of Republicans didn't vote for him. Would this carry over into a general election, I wonder.

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quickymart: So Trump still has his base, yes, but a reasonable number of Republicans didn't vote for him. Would this carry over into a general election, I wonder.

There's an old Sinatra number - 'The Best Is Yet To Come'. Trump has a new theme song - 'The Worst Is Yet To Come'.

Most Trump supporters - and especially the MAGA nuts - seem to be totally unaware of, or are just refusing to confront the reality of, Trump's legal situation. Short of 'Divine Intervention' (which I'm sure many Trumpers are expecting, ROFLMAO) there's no way he can become the next US President.

Sit back, relax and enjoy the looming fiasco.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3182912 17-Jan-2024 09:48

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geekIT:

Most Trump supporters - and especially the MAGA nuts - seem to be totally unaware of, or are just refusing to confront the reality of, Trump's legal situation. Short of 'Divine Intervention' (which I'm sure many Trumpers are expecting, ROFLMAO) there's no way he can become the next US President.

Sit back, relax and enjoy the looming fiasco.

I wouldn't count on it.

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#3182916 17-Jan-2024 09:55

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Nevada Current bias is left of center.

Nevada Current: Don’t be confused: Trump deliberately CHOSE not to be on the Nevada primary ballot

... Next month, a significant number of Nevada Republicans will have a cow – and falsely blame Democrats – because Trump’s name isn’t on the state primary ballot.

Most people who follow Nevada politics at least a little already know this, but to reiterate:

Trump is not on the Feb. 6 Nevada presidential preference primary ballot because Trump deliberately chose not to be on it.

Instead of filing for the primary – which he deliberately didn’t do – he’s competing in the separate Feb. 8 Republican caucus run by the state party.

The state party has thus far done little to actively explain those facts to casual Republican voters, who may follow state politics very little if at all. It’s by no means clear the state party has the capacity to provide information to anyone other than those who have signed up for (and open) its fundraising emails.

In other words, it’s a safe bet that a substantial portion if not a majority of registered Republicans in Nevada are still unaware that there is both a caucus and a primary, let alone why Trump (and Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy for that matter) won’t be on their primary ballots.
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If Republican voters want to blame someone because Trump isn’t on their primary ballot, the person to blame is Trump.

But how many of them will know that? Especially, as seems likely, the state Republican Party – and Trump – will be delighted to let voters blame the state, and more specifically, the Democrats.
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But with much of the Republican electorate having demonstrated a hair-trigger willingness to embrace conspiracy, Nevada’s role in the nomination process could still have a serious consequence: More distrust of elections and disdain for democracy.

And that of course is a top priority of Trump and the Nevada State Republican Party. They don’t combat chaos. They nurture it, and exploit it.
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#3182918 17-Jan-2024 10:01

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-biden-georgia-poll-00135851 >> this is a bit depressing, although not overly surprising - Biden's win in Georgia wasn't exactly by billions of votes.

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#3182920 17-Jan-2024 10:01

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quickymart:
Also governor of Illinois JB Pritzker makes a good point here: https://www.meidastouch.com/news/pritzker-almost-half-of-gop-base-rejected-trump-in-show-of-weakness

"Almost half of the base of the Republican party showing up for this caucus tonight voted against Trump. Think about that," Pritzker said, as Trump hovered around 50% of the vote with more results still to be determined.

So Trump still has his base, yes, but a reasonable number of Republicans didn't vote for him. Would this carry over into a general election, I wonder.

Don't believe anything mainstream media and anything democrats say about Trump. They have all been wrong before. As I said, the way I read the situation, he's either in jail or he's the next POTUS. Apparently he can still be POTUS even if he's in jail.

The trouble is nobody there likes Biden. Not even those who voted him. But Trump voters think he's a god. You have a group of voters indifferent to the guy they have to vote for vs a group who is ever passionate for their persecuted hero. What are the numbers who knows but it's going to be closer than the media will tell you.

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#3182934 17-Jan-2024 10:51

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Batman: Don't believe anything mainstream media and anything democrats say about Trump. They have all been wrong before.

I think there is a wrong choice of words, which can cause a lot of trouble.

"Don't believe anything mainstream media [removed] say about Trump" that implies the whole published content can be discarded. This is what MAGA and conspiracy theorists preach.

This isn't the truth, as reporting facts is usually correct. Opinions, on the other hand, are different things. They appear on mainstream media but are not facts. Some people can't discern between reporting and opinion.

The sentence should probably be "When reading mainstream media learn to discern facts from opinion [about Trump]"

I put [about Trump] between square brackets because that first part of the sentence should apply to everything.

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AlterNet - E. Jean Carroll judge tells jurors to use assumed names and not tell family about service

Judge Kaplan instructed his jury that it was to be an "anonymous jury," meaning no one - meaning other jurors, reporters, attorneys and even Judge Kaplan - would know their names.

He also suggested members of the jury that they refer to each other using assumed names, and laid out highly detailed instructions for their safe transportation to and from the courtroom each day.

AlterNet - Election workers 'scared to death' of threats from 'volatile' conspiracy theorists in 2024

Election workers across multiple states are bracing for an onslaught of attacks and threats from conspiracy-addled election deniers ahead of this fall's presidential election.

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#3182995 17-Jan-2024 11:26

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AlterNet - E. Jean Carroll judge tells jurors to use assumed names and not tell family about service

What a proud moment in American history (◔_◔)

That's what you get when elect a mobster to the world's second most powerful position (Trump yearns to possess ‎Xi Jinping power)

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#3183095 17-Jan-2024 13:17

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geekIT:

quickymart: So Trump still has his base, yes, but a reasonable number of Republicans didn't vote for him. Would this carry over into a general election, I wonder.

There's an old Sinatra number - 'The Best Is Yet To Come'. Trump has a new theme song - 'The Worst Is Yet To Come'.

Most Trump supporters - and especially the MAGA nuts - seem to be totally unaware of, or are just refusing to confront the reality of, Trump's legal situation. Short of 'Divine Intervention' (which I'm sure many Trumpers are expecting, ROFLMAO) there's no way he can become the next US President.

Sit back, relax and enjoy the looming fiasco.

I don't think any of the cases will come to a conclusion before the election. Any guilty verdicts that would preclude him from running will be appealed all the way to the SC and we know who they are beholden to.

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#3183098 17-Jan-2024 13:19

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Batman:

Don't believe anything mainstream media and anything democrats say about Trump. They have all been wrong before. As I said, the way I read the situation, he's either in jail or he's the next POTUS. Apparently he can still be POTUS even if he's in jail.

The trouble is nobody there likes Biden. Not even those who voted him. But Trump voters think he's a god. You have a group of voters indifferent to the guy they have to vote for vs a group who is ever passionate for their persecuted hero. What are the numbers who knows but it's going to be closer than the media will tell you.

And even at this early stage Trump appears to have momentum while Biden and the Dems appear to be going backwards. A very difficult trend to reverse once it's started.

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#3183104 17-Jan-2024 13:31

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Batman: The trouble is nobody there likes Biden.

81 million voters last time would beg to differ. Yes 2024 will be different but that doesn't exactly mean everyone there loves Trump, either. Far from it.

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