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#793115 4-Apr-2013 12:39

freitasm: Be careful folks. She might get offended and say you're bullying her.

It will be interesting to see how that gets squared with your democratic right to criticise the government.

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#793117 4-Apr-2013 12:42

SaltyNZ:
freitasm: Be careful folks. She might get offended and say you're bullying her.

It will be interesting to see how that gets squared with your democratic right to criticise the government.

Dissent is one of the most democratic and possibly patriotic ideas and yet any level of dissent in the USA is met by public criticism as being "anti-American".

It seems some people there (even the media) can't understand that "anti-government policies" (dissent) is different from "anti-American" (non patriotic).

I wonder how long before people here in New Zealand fall for the same.

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#793121 4-Apr-2013 12:51

Judith Collins is the Minister of Justice.
Amy Adams is the IT Minister.
Possibly a toss up who would have been the Minister to have fronted for the interview. But since proposals will have an impact on the Crimes Act, then Collins was the more obvious candidate.

Edit: Expecting Judith Collins to know about the workings of the internet is a little like expecting her to know about the forces involved in crushing a car...

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#793147 4-Apr-2013 13:07

Aren't miniters largegly just spokes people, and they have staff under them who actually tell them what to say, as they are the experts. But obviously they should also understand what they are saying. But I think politicians are largely sales people, trying to sell a point of view.

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#793149 4-Apr-2013 13:10

freitasm:
SaltyNZ: A wise minister doesn't need to be an expert on everything; he or she needs to listen to the advisers.

Listen to advisers and decide what makes sense or not. And then decide to talk on things they know for sure.

As the quote roughly goes:
"Better to be thought a fool - than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"

I had the idea it was an Oscar Wilde - but seems to have been attributed to Mark Twain and Abraham Lincoln (and others)

I suppose she could have blamed the people who provide electricity to power the sites...

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#793175 4-Apr-2013 13:37

im sorry but could someone explain to me how someone can get cyber bullied if they dont want to be, if it starts isn't just easy to delete your account , change your number/ email and start a new persona. Why let it carry on enough that you are seriously thinking of suicide. I would have thought bullying at school is a lot more insidious and no one seems to care about that to the extent of making it a serious criminal act.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#793201 4-Apr-2013 13:55

mattwnz: Aren't miniters largegly just spokes people, and they have staff under them who actually tell them what to say, as they are the experts. But obviously they should also understand what they are saying. But I think politicians are largely sales people, trying to sell a point of view.

Possibly but she is also a lawyer and former president of the Auckland District Law Society.

Though this isn't an agreement on her decision I was impressed with her analysis of the judicial review of the Bain compensation review. She clearly knows her law but that doesn't necessarily mean she understands IT. But I would give her credit for reviewing and understanding advice from her advisors, if indeed such advice had been given.

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#793215 4-Apr-2013 14:10

SaltyNZ:

Correct. The issue is that he's an ignorant a**hole who punched someone who was embarrassing him. The reason why that someone happened to be in the right place at the right time to be punched by him is tangential at best. It would make at least as much sense to report the story as 'reporter assaulted after harassing teenager'.

There are assaults every day; why is it somehow more newsworthy that an assault happened because someone said something bad on the internet to someone completely unrelated to the assault?

Yes really this is about harassment isn't it.

Would it impact on the likes of FairGo or Target?

Is it deemed not harassment if the question is in the public interest?

Might be interesting to see how the policy writers frame this one.

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#793220 4-Apr-2013 14:21

Personally I believe Parliament should be selected completely at random from everyone on the electoral roll. Far better representative of the people.

We can't do this, if for no other reason that there would be a 1 in 37,000 chance that Liz Shaw would end up in Parliament. I'm not willing to risk those odds.

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#793226 4-Apr-2013 14:27

ajobbins:
Personally I believe Parliament should be selected completely at random from everyone on the electoral roll. Far better representative of the people.

We can't do this, if for no other reason that there would be a 1 in 37,000 chance that Liz Shaw would end up in Parliament. I'm not willing to risk those odds.

Good point. However, it would also reduce the odds of Winston & Hone making it back to the next parliament to 1 in 37,000 each. I think that more than makes up for it.

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#793231 4-Apr-2013 14:31

SaltyNZ:
ajobbins:
Personally I believe Parliament should be selected completely at random from everyone on the electoral roll. Far better representative of the people.

We can't do this, if for no other reason that there would be a 1 in 37,000 chance that Liz Shaw would end up in Parliament. I'm not willing to risk those odds.

Good point. However, it would also reduce the odds of Winston & Hone making it back to the next parliament to 1 in 37,000 each. I think that more than makes up for it.

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#793242 4-Apr-2013 14:37

vexxxboy: im sorry but could someone explain to me how someone can get cyber bullied if they dont want to be, if it starts isn't just easy to delete your account , change your number/ email and start a new persona. Why let it carry on enough that you are seriously thinking of suicide. I would have thought bullying at school is a lot more insidious and no one seems to care about that to the extent of making it a serious criminal act.

A lot of the people who get cyber bullied are very young and very impressionable. Their parents most likely have no idea what is going on and the young people themselves have no idea how to handle it and don't want to tell their parents. Instead they withdraw, become depressed etc.

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#793246 4-Apr-2013 14:39

Ms Collins is a bit late for April Fool's ?

I predict this will be as effective as her crush the boyracers law.

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#793247 4-Apr-2013 14:40

Dratsab:
A lot of the people who get bullied are very young and very impressionable. Their parents most likely have no idea what is going on and the young people themselves have no idea how to handle it and don't want to tell their parents. Instead they withdraw, become depressed etc.

FTFY...

EDIT - bah, strikethrough FAILED AGAIN.

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#793269 4-Apr-2013 15:10

A lot of the people who get cyber bullied are very young and very impressionable. Their parents most likely have no idea what is going on and the young people themselves have no idea how to handle it and don't want to tell their parents. Instead they withdraw, become depressed etc.

again what parent gives anyone that young complete and unsupervised access to the internet and again how is that different to being bullied in real life

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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