Jamil Khashoggi 'Disapperance'

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#2107831 14-Oct-2018 23:08

Turkey doesn't want the Saudis to know how they are spying on them. The Apple Watch is a smokescreen. In fact every carpet stain, cockroach and picture of the King in the consulate is a surveillance device.

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#2107908 15-Oct-2018 08:05

Rikkitic:

Turkey doesn't want the Saudis to know how they are spying on them. The Apple Watch is a smokescreen. In fact every carpet stain, cockroach and picture of the King in the consulate is a surveillance device.

And whilst the facts are being gathered, Turkey (& others) will want to exert maximum leverage and withholding evidence (assuming they have it) will be part of that approach rather than risking an high stakes approach early. I have little doubt that behind the scenes there will be very serious discussions going on (US, Turkey etc) whilst the outcry continues

That said the Saudi's overnight appear to be digging themselves in i.e. saying they will respond "bigger" to sanctions. This isn't a regime who will admit they get things wrong or want to be embarrassed

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#2107915 15-Oct-2018 08:20

The US will pound its chest for a few days, sell its goods to SA and it will be all quiet well before christmas.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2107933 15-Oct-2018 09:01

MikeB4:

The US will pound its chest for a few days, sell its goods to SA and it will be all quiet well before christmas.

This is not going away just yet. He was a journalist and the media will not let it die so soon.

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#2107975 15-Oct-2018 10:05

Bluntj:

MikeB4:

The US will pound its chest for a few days, sell its goods to SA and it will be all quiet well before christmas.

This is not going away just yet. He was a journalist and the media will not let it die so soon.

+1 but I'll cynically speculate that the Saudi's may 'buy' their way out of this (if true), something along the lines of: dear Erdoğan and Trump(s) lets be reasonable tone it down and we can come to an amicable arrangement

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#2108000 15-Oct-2018 10:42

MikeB4:

The US will pound its chest for a few days, sell its goods to SA and it will be all quiet well before christmas.

What a funny old language we have - where US made weapons being used to kill civilians in Yemen etc can be called "goods".

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#2108009 15-Oct-2018 10:50

Would sales decrease if they were called 'bads'?

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#2108011 15-Oct-2018 10:52

Fred99:

What a funny old language we have - where US made weapons being used to kill civilians in Yemen etc can be called "goods".

Yes lets not forget Yemen. Imagine the response if it was Iran doing what the Saudi's are doing in Yeman, they would be outage from the US etc...

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#2108608 16-Oct-2018 08:06

xlinknz:

Bluntj:

MikeB4:

The US will pound its chest for a few days, sell its goods to SA and it will be all quiet well before christmas.

This is not going away just yet. He was a journalist and the media will not let it die so soon.

+1 but I'll cynically speculate that the Saudi's may 'buy' their way out of this (if true), something along the lines of: dear Erdoğan and Trump(s) lets be reasonable tone it down and we can come to an amicable arrangement

"Addressing reporters after the phone call with the Saudi king, Trump said that the king was firm in his denial and that "maybe these could have been rogue killers" behind Khashoggi's disappearance"

(Saudi?) "rogue killers"

It is increasing looking like political 'expediency' between Saudi, Turkey and US is unfolding?

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#2108637 16-Oct-2018 09:31

Rogue killers. Inside the Saudi consulate. Yeah, right.

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#2108644 16-Oct-2018 09:37

Assuming the reports about the Apple watch are accurate Khashoggi must have been aware that he had some opportunity to prolong his life by revealing the recording device to the torturers/killers. I would have to assume he chose not to do so while under torture to protect his finance who it is said was more or less in possession of or had access to the paired device/device on the same account.

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#2108666 16-Oct-2018 10:23

I hear the White House, The Saudi Embassy and the Turkish Embassy have all recieved large consignments of white wash all delivered by Dr Spin Transport

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#2108672 16-Oct-2018 10:37

Khashoggi had been critical of Trump. Kushner had met with the Crown Prince.

The Saudis are really keen to get to the bottom of this:

At around the same time Saudi King Salman insisted in a Monday morning phone call with U.S. President Donald Trump that his regime had nothing to do with the disappearance and alleged murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi—a denial Trump dutifully echoed to reporters while suggesting that perhaps "rogue killers" were behind the gruesome crime—video cameras captured a team of cleaners hauling several buckets of mops, two large cases of trash bags, Dixi cleaning solution, another carton of what appears to be bleach, and two cases of Pinar milk through the front door of Saudi Arabia's consulate in Istanbul.

"You couldn't make his up!!! Literally minutes after Saudi authorities said Turkish investigators could enter the consulate—a cleaning team arrived and entered the building."
—Jamal Elshayyal, Al Jazeera

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#2108739 16-Oct-2018 11:27

If the Turkish team is any good, it may still find evidence. It is really hard to get rid of microscopic blood splatter. It depends on how badly the Turks really want to know.

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#2108808 16-Oct-2018 12:35

'CNN reported Saudi Arabia was preparing a report that would say Mr Khashoggi was killed as the result of an interrogation that went wrong'

Getting a certificate to get married results in an interrogation that went wrong..?

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