What is debatable about awaiting sentencing?

Paul1977:

 

But at the minimum he's guilty of manslaughter all day long.

 

No disagreement there.

Rikkitic:

 

What is debatable about awaiting sentencing?

 

 

 

This is.

TheMantis:

 

Paul1977:

 

Rightly convicted and now awaiting sentencing.

 

 

That's highly debatable. 

 

Posting this to bookmark the thread. I'm out of popcorn - have to head to the shop.  Back soon.

TheMantis:

 

No disagreement there.

 

So you just believe it didn't meet the criteria of 2nd degree murder?

TheMantis:

 

Rikkitic:

 

What is debatable about awaiting sentencing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is.

 

I saw your bold fine. I just didn't think it was relevant.

TheMantis:

Paul1977:Rightly convicted and now awaiting sentencing.

That's highly debatable.

Paul1977:

 

TheMantis:

 

No disagreement there.

 

 

So you just believe it didn't meet the criteria of 2nd degree murder?

 

i read somewhere it had to be premeditated.

also said manslaughter is the correct conviction

and 3rd degree murder doesn't even apply here

*IANAL

lawyer says he will only be sentenced on one conviction

Lawyers will argue and judges will decide but in my inexpert opinion (and the jury’s), this qualifies as murder on more than one count. 

Intentional murder: (1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation.

Cop didn’t start out planning to kill (premeditation) but changed his intent in the course of the event.

Unintentional murder: (1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence

The felony offense in this case, is the excessive and unjustified use of force in subduing the victim (assault), and the failure to lend assistance when the victim was clearly in mortal distress. Both of these transgressions are specified in the Minneapolis Police Department Policy and Procedure Manual. See from page 228. I imagine the jurors read this when deciding on their verdict.
 

Batman: In pretty sure there will be an appeal after sentencing so let's see what happens.

The more I think of it the more I think he didn't get a fair trial. He's definitely a bad cop but there was so much pressure on the jury to convict, politicians and presidents weighed in

Biden didn't - except to comment that there was ample evidence for the jury to consider, that comment made when the jury was sequestered, thus could not have influenced the verdict.

One needs to be careful when reading "news" from US "media" sources.  They tell deliberate lies.

Of course there will be an appeal, but legal experts seem to be unanimous in the opinion that there's no chance the conviction of the murdering cop who got caught murdering on video will be overturned.

Under Minnesota statute, second degree unintentional murder is killing someone while committing a felony. 

Then there's this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/chauvins-conviction-floyd-murder-doj-weighs-charging-2017/story?id=77254006

Batman:

 

i read somewhere it had to be premeditated.

 

also said manslaughter is the correct conviction

 

and 3rd degree murder doesn't even apply here

 

*IANAL

 

Well perhaps you should be a bit more selective in what you read and where.  

Because it's inflammatory bullsh*t opinion you're regurgitating.

If anyone wold bother reading my previous post I covered these points. See the manual.

Why no convictions for the police officers who watched & did nothing ?
why no accountability for probable lack of training ? lack of supervision ?

I suspect its become making an example due to public backlash , rather than justice for the police officer himself .
If he didnt have proper ONGOING training , and wasnt given the skills to deal with these situations, then its just a witchhunt
he's just a scapegoat for the US's ongoing issues. Nothing will change .