Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3431218 5-Nov-2025 13:23

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You mean the economy is performing how it was expected to perform when you left office? (Source pre election update and stats NZ gdp)

So, at best the Luxon government has had no effect on the economy.

Worst. It was supposed to be $438 billion, it's actually $435 billion.

Luxon is worst than the bad forecast that was supposed to be a gotcha....

Margin of error

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#3431219 5-Nov-2025 13:27

lachlanw:

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lachlanw:

You mean the economy is performing how it was expected to perform when you left office? (Source pre election update and stats NZ gdp)

So, at best the Luxon government has had no effect on the economy.

Worst. It was supposed to be $438 billion, it's actually $435 billion.

Luxon is worst than the bad forecast that was supposed to be a gotcha....

Margin of error

Still not better than the forecast then.

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#3431220 5-Nov-2025 13:31

True

Question, given those numbers though, does any responsibility for the state of the economy fall on previous government?

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#3431222 5-Nov-2025 13:35

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True

Question, given those numbers though, does any responsibility for the state of the economy fall on previous government?

Given National et al have two years managing the country, no.

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#3431225 5-Nov-2025 13:47

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Given National et al have two years managing the country, no.

Two years during which they have not had to cope with a volcano, a literal once-in-a-century global pandemic, and multiple once-in-a-century floods.

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#3431236 5-Nov-2025 14:26

Two years during which they have not had to cope with a volcano, a literal once-in-a-century global pandemic, and multiple once-in-a-century floods.

So no responsibility? Or the economic outcome was a result of circumstances out of their control?

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#3431237 5-Nov-2025 14:32

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Two years during which they have not had to cope with a volcano, a literal once-in-a-century global pandemic, and multiple once-in-a-century floods.

So no responsibility? Or the economic outcome was a result of circumstances out of their control?

Ah, yes, I think we are forgetting a terrorist attack with 51 dead in that list.

The circumstances were out of their control. They were external influences, and not consequence of any of their actions.

The response to each of those was measured, to the best of that time's knowledge.

The current government has been going for two years, with no visible change for better. The only thing being done is dismantling the social structure, job relations and economic future while trying to blame previous governments.

Talk about no responsibility...

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#3431238 5-Nov-2025 14:39

But on the plus side, it is now (or will be in the not too distant future), easier for people to actually sell their home baking.

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#3431239 5-Nov-2025 14:40

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But on the plus side, it is now (or will be in the not too distant future), easier for people to actually sell their home baking.

But not selling to the South Island if you live in the North Island. Or vice-versa.

Not without any ferries.

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#3431244 5-Nov-2025 14:53

lachlanw:

So no responsibility? Or the economic outcome was a result of circumstances out of their control?

They have responsibility up to where they left it, at which point (for example) inflation was already coming down in the last quarterly report before the election, despite all those massive shocks.

COVID-19 was always going to break the economy no matter what. The Labour government chose to keep businesses afloat and people in jobs, which caused inflation. National voted for those support packages at the time, their only criticism being that they did not go far enough. Labour could have chosen not to keep the businesses afloat, which would have resulted in them collapsing instead, with hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs. Or they could have chosen to YOLO it and let COVID rip through the country. Experience with other countries suggests that that would have had a similar result as not supporting the businesses (because people are surprisingly unwilling to go to the cafe for brunch once they are shown to be potentially lethal) and also your nanna would have drowned to death in her own snot.

Would that have been a better economic result? Hard to say. But no option was going to be good for the economy and that much is 100% beyond the control of the government.

Luxon campaigned on how he knew exactly how Labour had f*** the economy and only he could unf*** it because he used to run an airline. And it was definitely going to be done and dusted by 2025 (Survive to 25, everyone). In actual fact, the economy has continued more or less on the trajectory it was already on before the election. Worse, actually, but I'll grant you that it is within the margin of error. Which is lucky because one of the things the Luxon government did do was to remove the RBNZ mandate to keep unemployment down, but rather to only consider what would bring inflation down fastest. Putting lots of people out of work does indeed bring inflation down.

So I guess, in one sense, yes, the current economic situation is Labour's doing, because Luxon has not moved the needle one way or the other. But "performed slightly worse than doing nothing at all" is not exactly a ringing endorsement of his airline running skills.

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#3431283 5-Nov-2025 16:45

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Fixed that for you....

So what you're saying is, you want to return to a two-party system where you can vote red or blue and it literally doesn't matter because they are the same party, going to the same place, with the same policy, always and forever amen, and anybody who does not want to go to that place (on either side) can f*** off and move some place else?

That's a pretty big stretch.

TPM and the Greens are just as happy to play the culture wars/identity politics card as ACT and NZ First. Their associated bases require it and they are very happy playing to them.

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#3431284 5-Nov-2025 16:46

freitasm:

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True

Question, given those numbers though, does any responsibility for the state of the economy fall on previous government?

Given National et al have two years managing the country, no.

That's a fairly silly position. The previous government has a fairly significant impact on the current economy. The degree to which this is true can be debated but it can not be debated that previous decisions have an impact on the current economy.

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#3431289 5-Nov-2025 17:12

Handle9:

That's a pretty big stretch.

TPM and the Greens are just as happy to play the culture wars/identity politics card as ACT and NZ First. Their associated bases require it and they are very happy playing to them.

I don't think so. Without the minor parties tugging in their respective directions then you don't have anything but a two-party system. The entire point of the minor parties is that the two big ones are basically two sides of the same coin and will never upset the status quo in any meaningful way.

I absolutely concede though that whether you think that's a good thing depends entirely on whether it's your team* doing the tugging or not.

*I think some NZF policies are quite sensible and I once voted for ACT because I believed - and still do - that the Auckland Supercity was a much better use of ratepayer dollars. But in my defense that was before they jumped the shark by stealing dead babies identities and so on.

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#3431292 5-Nov-2025 17:24

SaltyNZ:

Handle9:

That's a pretty big stretch.

TPM and the Greens are just as happy to play the culture wars/identity politics card as ACT and NZ First. Their associated bases require it and they are very happy playing to them.

I don't think so. Without the minor parties tugging in their respective directions then you don't have anything but a two-party system. The entire point of the minor parties is that the two big ones are basically two sides of the same coin and will never upset the status quo in any meaningful way.

I absolutely concede though that whether you think that's a good thing depends entirely on whether it's your team* doing the tugging or not.

*I think some NZF policies are quite sensible and I once voted for ACT because I believed - and still do - that the Auckland Supercity was a much better use of ratepayer dollars. But in my defense that was before they jumped the shark by stealing dead babies identities and so on.

Of course you would say that :)

I'm not talking about policy, I'm talking about the dog whistles each party uses to play to it's base.

In NZF and ACT it's dastardly Maoris and Unions, in the Greens it's the evil pakeha hetrosexual men and for TPM it's all the fault of the white man. They are all very happy to have someone to blame as it gets their base jazzed up and excited. It creates a very polarised environment but it is what it is.

You see it on here blaming everything on National when 95% of their policies are the same as Labours policies. The difference between the major parties are really very small as they are both targeting the mainstream voter.

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#3431294 5-Nov-2025 17:37

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In NZF and ACT it's dastardly Maoris and Unions, in the Greens it's the evil pakeha hetrosexual men and for TPM it's all the fault of the white man. They are all very happy to have someone to blame as it gets their base jazzed up and excited. It creates a very polarised environment but it is what it is.

You see it on here blaming everything on National when 95% of their policies are the same as Labours policies. The difference between the major parties are really very small as they are both targeting the mainstream voter.

Tsk, I am an evil pakeha heterosexual man. I'm not sure if it makes me more or less evil given that I am also an Australian immigrant. :-D

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