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  #3259650 15-Jul-2024 11:24
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I assume it's too soon to talk about gun control. In the meantime a gift basket of thoughts and prayers is on its way.

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  #3259653 15-Jul-2024 11:34
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neb: I assume it's too soon to talk about gun control. In the meantime a gift basket of thoughts and prayers is on its way.

 

 

 

Given that he apparently Jesus anyway , surely he can go to daddy and complain about his booboo...


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  #3259657 15-Jul-2024 11:51
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neb: I assume it's too soon to talk about gun control. In the meantime a gift basket of thoughts and prayers is on its way.

 

You mean something like this?

 


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  #3259659 15-Jul-2024 11:56
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neb: I assume it's too soon to talk about gun control. In the meantime a gift basket of thoughts and prayers is on its way.

 

Great idea. American patriots need everyone's support.





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  #3259715 15-Jul-2024 13:01
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Will be interesting to see what the investigation into the shooter turns up. I don't think you can take a lot out of the fact that he was a registered as a Republican, he was only 20 and had never voted. If his family are Republican he may have just registered that way because they did. Likewise, a $15 donation to a Democrat cause hardly makes him a far left extremist.

 

What's more interesting is that early reports suggest that he was pretty much apolitical and didn't even discuss politics, and that there were no obvious "red flags" other than the typical "he was quiet and kept to himself" comments.

 

If he had been a card carrying Democrat who was openly anti-Trump then this attempt would have almost guaranteed Trump the election. But as it stands right now, I'm not sure how much impact it will have.


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  #3259767 15-Jul-2024 13:18
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neb:  I assume it's too soon to talk about gun control. In the meantime a gift basket of thoughts and prayers is on its way.

 

 

Inside the Gun Shop - Firearms Dealers and their Impact

 

June 2023

 

 

  • The US has nearly 78,000 licensed gun dealers, more than all post offices in the United States, and more than the number of McDonald’s, Burger King, Subway, and Wendy’s locations combined.

  • Over half of all gun dealers are located in residential communities, including nearly 9,000 dealers licensed to manufacture firearms and ammunition, from handguns and shotguns to silencers and other accessories.

  • Residential license holders, some in private homes, do not need to notify neighbors or place signage indicating that they can sell or manufacture guns in their homes.



How many licenced firearms dealers are there in Pennsylvania?           2,686  (2022 stats)  😕





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  #3259768 15-Jul-2024 13:18
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Paul1977: If he had been a card carrying Democrat who was openly anti-Trump then this attempt would have almost guaranteed Trump the election. But as it stands right now, I'm not sure how much impact it will have.

Imo the facts will make little difference to how Republicans campaign using this event. One of Trump's top vice picks and other Republican party figures have already started the blame Democrats and the media thing a few hours after.

At the event itself 5 minutes after the shots 10+ individuals in the crowd approached the media area and began yelling various accusations about "the media". A few minutes after the gunshots in the now standard video you can see one guy already yelling and making a one finger gesture in the direction of the news cameras.

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  #3259769 15-Jul-2024 13:22
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sir1963: Given that he apparently Jesus anyway , surely he can go to daddy and complain about his booboo...

The shooters father gave him the gun apparently.

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  #3259770 15-Jul-2024 13:23
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gzt:  One of Trump's top vice picks and other Republican party figures

 

Unintentional additional accuracy





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  #3259771 15-Jul-2024 13:33
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gzt: Imo the facts will make little difference to how Republicans campaign using this event. One of Trump's top vice picks and other Republican party figures have already started the blame Democrats and the media thing a few hours after. 

At the event itself 5 minutes after the shots 10+ individuals in the crowd approached the media area and began yelling various accusations about "the media". A few minutes after the gunshots in the now standard video you can see one guy already yelling and making a one finger gesture in the direction of the news cameras.

 

I think it'll make a difference to moderate swing voters who don't just gobble up everything Trump says. Right now the Democrats can at least counter that the shooter was registered a Republican and likely a just a lone nutter who may not have even been politically motivated. But if it comes out that he had left leaning political views then it's a lot easier for the right to push a narrative of a violent and extremist left who will stop at nothing.


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  #3259799 15-Jul-2024 14:26
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A classmate says some of the shooters friends were conservative and hat wearing Trump supporters:

CNN: A third classmate, who asked not to be named, said that Crooks was very smart, took honors classes, and was shy. She said that he had a group of friends who were fairly conservative, some of whom would wear Trump hats.

Most of this is still at the rumour stage imo. Many previous articles have said the shooter had no friends. Father is registered Libertarian mother is registered Democrat. Again not unusual - some states require party registration before you're allowed to vote in a primary.

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  #3259804 15-Jul-2024 14:35
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 Again not unusual - some states require party registration before you're allowed to vote in a primary.

 

 

 

Given that voting in the primary is effectively the party's local selection process, it seems more unusual that you would be allowed to vote in one without being registered to that party. As in, (obviously) I am not a member of the National Party, so why should I get any say on who they nominate to be the candidate for my local electorate, let alone who they want to lead the parliamentary party?

 

What I'm not clear on is whether 'registering' as a so-and-so voter is the same as becoming a member of that party or not.





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  #3259811 15-Jul-2024 15:12
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The Wall Street Journal and New York Times both made a non-announcement a few minutes ago: there's still no manifesto.

My gut feeling, based just the fact he was making bombs and bullied heavily at school, is he was a bomb waiting to go off, no pun intended.

Trump happen to be in the nearby area, and represented either a bully (because he is) or an authoritarian figure (again because he is).

This would be quite a blow to Trump's ego. That's Trump is nothing special. Just a tall poppy at the wrong place. It could have been Biden just as easily.

New York Times: Here’s What Is Known About the Suspect Who Tried to Assassinate Trump
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And in an era when other people his age put troves of personal information online, Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20, left few clues about who he was, what he believed, or why he decided to drive to a Trump rally in western Pennsylvania on Saturday and try to assassinate the former president.
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The F.B.I. has not found a manifesto, and Mr. Crooks had never been under F.B.I. investigation. The official confirmed that he did not have an unusual online history for a 20-year-old man. He liked to play chess, video games and was learning how to code, according to a review of his online activities.

He did not appear to have a public profile on major social media platforms including Facebook and Instagram. The messaging platform Discord said it had found an account apparently linked to the gunman, but the company said that “it was rarely utilized and we have found no evidence that it was used to plan this incident or discuss his political views.”

Two former classmates who attended Bethel Park High School with the gunman said they had not noticed any obvious warning signs.
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  #3259816 15-Jul-2024 15:32
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SaltyNZ:What I'm not clear on is whether 'registering' as a so-and-so voter is the same as becoming a member of that party or not.



In Pennsylvania, and a lot of states, registering for a party affiliation affects your ability to vote in primary elections. The state follows a closed primary system, which means that people who register without a party affiliation or with smaller third parties (such as the Green or Libertarian Party) cannot vote for Democratic or Republican candidates in the spring primaries.

However, all registered voters can participate in the general election, regardless of their party affiliation.

History

There's no mention of political parties in the US constitution or any founding document. They did "naturally" form we early in US history.

Ironically first President George Washington, in his farewell, was still worried about European monarchies. He spoke that political parties were bad for the most part, to which I agree

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"George Washington acknowledges the fact that parties are sometimes beneficial in promoting liberty in monarchies, but he argues that political parties must be restrained in a popularly elected government
  • their tendency to distract the government from their duties

  • create unfounded jealousies among groups and regions

  • raise false alarms among the people

  • promote riots and insurrection

  • provide foreign nations and interests access to the government where they can impose their will upon the country.

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  #3259818 15-Jul-2024 15:44
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Paul1977:

 

Will be interesting to see what the investigation into the shooter turns up. I don't think you can take a lot out of the fact that he was a registered as a Republican, he was only 20 and had never voted. If his family are Republican he may have just registered that way because they did. Likewise, a $15 donation to a Democrat cause hardly makes him a far left extremist.

 

What's more interesting is that early reports suggest that he was pretty much apolitical and didn't even discuss politics, and that there were no obvious "red flags" other than the typical "he was quiet and kept to himself" comments.

 

If he had been a card carrying Democrat who was openly anti-Trump then this attempt would have almost guaranteed Trump the election. But as it stands right now, I'm not sure how much impact it will have.

 

 

Good post, Ive seen it mentioned a few times that maybe he was a bullied loner with social issues/anxiety/whatever. Its not like the USA doesn't have a long history of troubled teenage gunmen that go on shooting rampages. 





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