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#3260066 16-Jul-2024 08:41

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quickymart:

Wombat1:

That does depend on what your line of reference is, Sky news is pretty central here. But compared to virtually any news site in NZ it would sure seem that way.

The few times I've watched it all I've seen is mockery of Joe Biden and endless praise of Trump. Hardly what I'd call "pretty central".

Also (from Wikipedia): Especially since the acquisition of the channel by News Corp Australia, Sky News Australia has faced scrutiny from the press over its increased focus on opinion programming. Comparisons were drawn to Rupert Murdoch's American news channel Fox News, and there have been accusations that the channel's opinion programming has promoted misinformation and untrue conspiracy theories.

I think I'll pass, thanks.

Most Australians side with Trump and do find Biden's gaffs ridiculously funny, Sky news is news for Australians. Of course it is going to offend most Kiwis, you don't need to watch it if it offends you.

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#3260070 16-Jul-2024 08:58

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Some good background information in this article.

Trump classified documents case dismissed by judge - BBC News

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#3260072 16-Jul-2024 09:10

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Wombat1:

Most Australians side with Trump and do find Biden's gaffs ridiculously funny, Sky news is news for Australians. Of course it is going to offend most Kiwis, you don't need to watch it if it offends you.

I strongly disagree. But the point was more around Sky/Fox going from right wing, to using Sky news au as a platform for Fox/Repub propaganda, literally SPAM on YT for non aussie audience ie 11M views for one 5min clip, thats clearly not aus consumption. So it will be interesting to see what they post re Cannon chucking this Court case out.

What are the chances in the Felony case, Merchan will say the presidential immunity based evidence had no major bearing on the case (which it didnt given Hicks was just an additional testimony not the main testimony)? What would be the impact if he gave Trump a prison sentence or home detention? (as unlikely as that is)

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#3260076 16-Jul-2024 09:25

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Wombat1:

Most Australians side with Trump and do find Biden's gaffs ridiculously funny, Sky news is news for Australians. Of course it is going to offend most Kiwis, you don't need to watch it if it offends you.

I know quite a few Australians, none of whom "side with Trump" (it's "gaffes", btw). Just because you side with him doesn't mean everyone else does. And no worries, I won't watch it ever again, happy to do so.

Anyway, Tealeaf has expanded further on the comment re Sky News Australia going right-wing (which they are) above.

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#3260087 16-Jul-2024 09:54

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quickymart:

Anyway, Tealeaf has expanded further on the comment re Sky News Australia going right-wing (which they are) above.

I looked at the first 20 clips, only one was "australian news". The rest was Trump support or attacks on the Dems. If you cannot Trust main stream media and you definitely can't trust social media. What/who do people turn to for the truth on Trump and these court cases?

So far sky news au have just done a quick snippet on the case being thrown out. They may choose not to cover this information, strategically.

They release a news clip circa every 5mns. Its a Troll factory in essence.

He is going get away with crimes no other american would and I honestly thought american people placed a higher regard for the truth and justice for all. Its bizarre.

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#3260097 16-Jul-2024 11:06

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I would expect Jack Smith to play his cards close.

He's not interested in politics or publicity. Just a conviction.

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#3260159 16-Jul-2024 11:25

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kingdragonfly: I would expect Jack Smith to play his cards close.

He's not interested in politics or publicity. Just a conviction.

Yep, cant afford to telegraph them.

But isnt this just further proof to an absurd level of Bias in a conflict of interest case, when it is reviewed?

The down side is he is just going to pardon himself by the time a case is likely to even start...... pretty big down side

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#3260160 16-Jul-2024 11:28

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TeaLeaf:

kingdragonfly: I would expect Jack Smith to play his cards close.

He's not interested in politics or publicity. Just a conviction.

Yep, cant afford to telegraph them.

But isnt this just further proof to an absurd level of Bias in a conflict of interest case, when it is reviewed?

The down side is he is just going to pardon himself by the time a case is likely to even start...... pretty big down side

THAT is why the state convictions are so important, he can NOT pardon himself on those.

<edit> The other thing about a pardon is that it means you have accepted that you are guilty of the crime.

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#3260170 16-Jul-2024 11:55

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<edit> The other thing about a pardon is that it means you have accepted that you are guilty of the crime.

That's not the case. Five myths about presidential pardons - The Washington Post

"In Ex parte Garland , the Supreme Court settled the question of preemptive pardons. The justices in that 1866 case decided that while pardons could reach only past acts, the pardon “may be exercised at any time after [the act’s] commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency or after conviction and judgment.

In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.” Over the years, many have come to see a necessary relationship between a pardon and guilt. Ford carried the Burdick quote in his wallet, defending the Nixon pardon by noting that it established Nixon’s guilt. More recently, MSNBC host Ari Melber taunted Arpaio by saying he had admitted he was guilty when he accepted Trump’s pardon.

But Burdick was about a different issue: the ability to turn down a pardon. The language about imputing and confessing guilt was just an aside — what lawyers call dicta. The court meant that, as a practical matter, because pardons make people look guilty, a recipient might not want to accept one. But pardons have no formal, legal effect of declaring guilt."

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#3260178 16-Jul-2024 12:44

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Sideface: Brave Saint Donald will play the Victim card (again) and get millions of sympathy votes.

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#3260373 16-Jul-2024 15:25

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sir1963:

THAT is why the state convictions are so important, he can NOT pardon himself on those.

People seem to have completely normalised the Civil cases.

So just the Georgia Case? The hush money was not a state case was it? (im confused as he was wanting to move it to a less anti trump City/state). I hope Merchan upholds it either way and gives the people some justice.

Can SCOTUS over turn state convictions?

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#3260374 16-Jul-2024 15:28

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Can SCOTUS over turn state convictions?

Where there's a will, there's a way.

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#3260377 16-Jul-2024 15:42

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TeaLeaf:

sir1963:

THAT is why the state convictions are so important, he can NOT pardon himself on those.

People seem to have completely normalised the Civil cases.

So just the Georgia Case? The hush money was not a state case was it? (im confused as he was wanting to move it to a less anti trump City/state). I hope Merchan upholds it either way and gives the people some justice.

Can SCOTUS over turn state convictions?

Technically, no because that is interfering in states rights.

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#3260382 16-Jul-2024 16:20

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From a week ago

New York Times: Immunity Ruling Leaves Judge Facing Tough Calls on Trump’s Election Indictment

The Supreme Court decision granting former presidents broad protection from prosecution kicked to the trial court key rulings about how much of Donald Trump’s indictment on election charges can stand.

At some point soon, the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity will land back with the judge who is handling the case from which it sprang — the criminal prosecution of Donald J. Trump on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election.

And when that happens, the judge, Tanya S. Chutkan, will face a daunting task.

Judge Chutkan will have to sort through the 45-page indictment, making decisions about which of its many allegations can move forward and which will have to be tossed out.

The Supreme Court has held that former presidents are completely protected against accusations arising from their core constitutional duties, but that they can face prosecution for unofficial acts they took while in the White House.

The court also created a third, more complicated category, which will most likely be the focus of Judge Chutkan’s work. The court said that Mr. Trump is presumptively immune from prosecution for all official acts, but that prosecutors can overcome that presumption if they can show that filing charges related to official acts would not result in any intrusions on “the authority and functions of the executive branch.”

It remains unclear when Judge Chutkan will begin considering how much of the indictment can survive, but the Supreme Court gave her some guidance — albeit very muddled — for how to approach the questions its ruling created.
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#3260384 16-Jul-2024 16:32

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Judge Chutkan
Its the final delay, that covers till election or past it.
Any action to appeal or make a case for another Judge will take longer.

If Trump wins then that's the end of it.
If he does not then Judge Chutkan will be quite happy to be disqualified anyway.

Either way for Florida Trumplicans she would have done her duty and not have threats against her life and be able to go out in public as a heroine.

For many cases the 5 year statute of limitations comes up towards end of next year too.

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