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  #3044452 3-Mar-2023 23:41
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sir1963: Where Maori Culture, Language, History, Anthropology, Education, etc are being taught and researched then being Maori is important, it gives you an insight others are unlikely to have and that will help you research those areas and progress academically as well as obtain funding.

It is good you have a positive view of those aspects and the required level of research. Many people do not.



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  #3044453 4-Mar-2023 00:13
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sir1963: PBRF (Performance Based Research Fund) is research based funding for all research subjects, Science, Engineering, Education, Welfare, Business , History, etc etc etc.

sir1963: Physics, Chemistry, Microbiology, Vets, Engineering, Mathematics, Statistics, Computer science, Software engineering, Medicine, etc etc etc do not change due to race etc. 1+1= 2 no matter who you are.

In reality people often do make unique and socially valued contributions to research in all these areas often based on who they are and unique aspects of ethnic, cultural or religious background.

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  #3044493 4-Mar-2023 11:06
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sir1963: Academia is all about research, about advancing the knowledge we have, about new knowledge and understanding. Its about teaching people how to learn, how to add new information, skills, and extend a job. Nothing we have in our modern lives would have been possible without research.

100%. This is the core of the issue and this is what the criteria of the fund were designed to remedy. Extending the research base. The allocation criteria are not designed to discourage anyone at all. The criteria are designed to move Te Ao Maori research towards being funded in proportion to the Maori population.

 

 

 

Best we apply that criteria to everything then....."being funded in proportion to their population."

 

20% of the All Blacks must be Asian for example.... They should also have a disabled player

 

I also think Tokelau should at the olympics get 30 medals for every athlete so that a level playing field is made for them too.

 

Do we expect Maori schools, Maori Research etc to only have 16% Maori staff "in proportion to the Maori population." ?

 

There are OTHER tools (eg Maori scholarships) that are there that can be used/enhanced to achieve the same goals, Universities have these alternative funding streams already.

 

PBRF is the wrong tool.

 

Perhaps the answer is that non Maori staff stop submitting portfolios to the PBRF process, when "Performance Based" is no longer the main criteria.

 

Staff too can "Virtue signal" by saying they will not compete against Maori for funding so they too can participate in righting the wrongs.

 

 




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  #3044496 4-Mar-2023 11:22
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sir1963: Where Maori Culture, Language, History, Anthropology, Education, etc are being taught and researched then being Maori is important, it gives you an insight others are unlikely to have and that will help you research those areas and progress academically as well as obtain funding.

It is good you have a positive view of those aspects and the required level of research. Many people do not.

 

 

 

I am "European" but I have whanau who are Maori, including a grandson (I will be learning Maori from his dad along with him) , I have Samoan step children, I have an intellectually handicapped son, I have been a poor solo dad. I have been in some form of paid work since I was 7. I have travelled overseas quite a few times. 

 

I spent a wonderful time in the walkway under George st in Sydney that goes to the main railway station sitting and talking to an Aboriginal Artist who was one of the "stolen children" and was making efforts to find his heritage. Australians glared at me. I bough a number of his paintings.

 

Cultural blandness is a horrid thing to contemplate .

 

I am 100% behind ensuring the culture thrives , but that requires different tools to PBRF.

 

ALL this change will do is push research further into "commercial success" models as theoretical studies lose further funding.

 

Already subjects like Physics have gone from being able to do a BSc to "service teaching only" at 1st year level.


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  #3044501 4-Mar-2023 11:56
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gzt: 
In reality people often do make unique and socially valued contributions to research in all these areas often based on who they are and unique aspects of ethnic, cultural or religious background.

 

 

 

No they make an application of that research so it fits into their cultural perspective. The actual research is agnostic when science based, ie the hard sciences. 

 

We do not teach "Greek Maths", "Egyptian Maths", etc, we teach maths.

 

In science, there is only science by discipline, you don't get to do "Russian Chemistry", "Jewish Electronics", "French genetics"," Mexican Physics".

 

When you have a Hangi , its simply a Hangi , it is not a Hangi with European chicken, Irish potatoes , American pumpkin.....etc. It is the integration of other food sources into a traditional cultural method of cooking.

 

A Tiki is no less Maori because it was created using modern tooling rather than traditional tools. The artistic side, the cultural side, etc etc are all uniquely Maori, but carving in stone is not, cultures all around the world do that.

 

Architecture is universal, the application of it is cultural, I am always stunned at Japanese traditional building that uses no nails, the complexity and precision of all the joints is incredible and a cultural treasure.

 

We should be throwing more money into cultural things, for example the Kapa Haka event, this is no less important than any other form of artistic expression and no less valuable than classical music, ballet, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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sir1963:

 

We should be throwing more money into cultural things, for example the Kapa Haka event, this is no less important than any other form of artistic expression and no less valuable than classical music, ballet, etc.

 

 

There's this weird backlash to sports getting funding, as if it isn't some part of our cultural landscape, and that there's a right way and a wrong way to do cultural expression. Once someone complains about 'sport versus arts' I have a pretty good idea of how that conversation is going to go, to the extent where I just remove myself from it. 

 

 


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National have put childcare rebates on the map, which is probably a good thing given this has had very little attention in the last six years so can't be that important to Labour.

 

It costs us $350 per week for four days of daycare - an $18K tax to be able to have two full-time incomes to pay a mortgage. That's for one child. 


 
 
 

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  #3046150 6-Mar-2023 07:22
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GV27:

 

National have put childcare rebates on the map, which is probably a good thing given this has had very little attention in the last six years so can't be that important to Labour.

 

It costs us $350 per week for four days of daycare - an $18K tax to be able to have two full-time incomes to pay a mortgage. That's for one child. 

 

 

 

 

As a working solo dad 30 odd years ago, my after school childcare (1.5 hours a day) was over 1/3 of my pay.

 

Apparently we already pay out about $500 Million a year to ECE as subsidies.

 

 


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It costs us $350 per week for four days of daycare - an $18K tax to be able to have two full-time incomes to pay a mortgage. That's for one child. 

 

 

Sorry I don't see it as a tax at all.

 

Kind of highlights one of the big problems we have today.

 

My parents raised 5 children owned a house and car. Mum was a stay at home Mum and never worked outside the home once she was married. All this was achieved on a tradesman's wages. Nothing was bought on hire purchase. We didn't have the latest and greatest but we never went without. There was no need to pay for child care.

 

What's gone wrong to the extent there needs to be two wages today?

 

Wages have definitely gone backwards over the years but I think one of the biggest drivers it is the need to have everything right now? Two cars, latest TV, flash toys etc.

 

Personally I think the tax payer paying for child care is not right.

 

 





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Technofreak:

 

Wages have definitely gone backwards over the years but I think one of the biggest drivers it is the need to have everything right now? Two cars, latest TV, flash toys etc.

 

 

I feel like focusing on things like this instead of documented huge increases in things like 'housing' or 'food inflation' are how you get bogged down in not doing anything about them.

 

Which seems to be very convenient if you're from the generation that leveraged to the hilt to buy as much housing for investment out from under a population that was trying to buy them as family homes. A mortgage on a single income isn't doable. So you need two. So you need two cars because you both have to get to work. Which means daycare. Which means more cost, before you've bought in the wages that haven't kept up with living costs in the first place. 

 

But sure, iPhones, avocados, etc. Why not.


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  #3046227 6-Mar-2023 10:50
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Technofreak:

 

GV27:

 

It costs us $350 per week for four days of daycare - an $18K tax to be able to have two full-time incomes to pay a mortgage. That's for one child. 

 

 

Sorry I don't see it as a tax at all.

 

Kind of highlights one of the big problems we have today.

 

My parents raised 5 children owned a house and car. Mum was a stay at home Mum and never worked outside the home once she was married. All this was achieved on a tradesman's wages. Nothing was bought on hire purchase. We didn't have the latest and greatest but we never went without. There was no need to pay for child care.

 

What's gone wrong to the extent there needs to be two wages today?

 

Wages have definitely gone backwards over the years but I think one of the biggest drivers it is the need to have everything right now? Two cars, latest TV, flash toys etc.

 

Personally I think the tax payer paying for child care is not right.

 

 

 

 

I feel that shoehorning women back into the kitchen is not right either. This is what you are implying.

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

I feel that shoehorning women back into the kitchen is not right either. This is what you are implying.

 

 

NO, I didn't say or imply that. Please don't go putting words into my mouth.

 

My point was the need for two wages when one wage used to be enough. That wage could be earned by either partner.





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GV27:

 

A mortgage on a single income isn't doable. So you need two. So you need two cars because you both have to get to work. Which means daycare. Which means more cost, before you've bought in the wages that haven't kept up with living costs in the first place. 

 

 

I know of many people doing it on single income and not with jobs that pay extravagant dollars. It might not be easy but it is doable.





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Technofreak:

 

I know of many people doing it on single income and not with jobs that pay extravagant dollars. It might not be easy but it is doable.

 

 

Go and plug that income level into a mortgage calculator with all the associated running costs of sprogs into a lending calculator and see what it tells you that you can borrow.

 

I sure as hell couldn't afford the extremely modest starter home we bought at its current valuation on a single income.   


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GV27:

 

Technofreak:

 

I know of many people doing it on single income and not with jobs that pay extravagant dollars. It might not be easy but it is doable.

 

 

Go and plug that income level into a mortgage calculator with all the associated running costs of sprogs into a lending calculator and see what it tells you that you can borrow.

 

I sure as hell couldn't afford the extremely modest starter home we bought at its current valuation on a single income.   

 

 

And that's after you have somehow saved up a hundred K or so for the deposit.


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