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  #3337400 30-Jan-2025 13:47
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Claims contained in many of the meme-ish screenshots being posted here are not verifiable without some intense googling and clicking.

 

Sooner or later if it has not happened already these claims will be made in error and repeated.

 

At minimum please include a link to the source.

 

 

 

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  #3337402 30-Jan-2025 13:50
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One is true for sure: the one who was killed by police.




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  #3337410 30-Jan-2025 14:17
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Handsomedan: The Press Secretary made proclamations like she was from ancient Egypt and said things like (not a direct quote), "California's water supply is back on after President Trump was there just a few minutes. The incompetent local authorities couldn't get it working

 

The sequence starting at 41:45 here. The spokesperson essentially repeats the many incorrect claims Trump made in a Truth Social post after issuing an executive order which had absolutely no effect on the actual reality. Similarly Elon Musk's DOGE department has apparently claimed DOGE did it. Looks like a lot of bogus cofeve flying in all directions.

 

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  #3337415 30-Jan-2025 14:30
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Just realised something, on the one hand the US now has the Gulf of America and Freedom Fries, but at the same time Trump is busy appointing Czars left, right, and centre.  An AI Czar, a Crypto Czar, ...

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  #3337419 30-Jan-2025 14:38
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gzt:

 

Claims contained in many of the meme-ish screenshots being posted here are not verifiable without some intense googling and clicking.

 

Sooner or later if it has not happened already these claims will be made in error and repeated.

 

At minimum please include a link to the source.

 

 

Sorry, must confess I didn't verify this - I will do my best to do so next time.

 

This one is right from the person's Instagram page however (and not a meme). Astonishes me what trivial crap Republicans used to get upset over, and nowadays if it's something bad involving the orange buffoon, they either run and hide, deflect or engage in whataboutism:

 

 

 

One rule for Trump (and Republicans who bend the knee to him), another rule for everyone else 🙄

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  #3337420 30-Jan-2025 14:39
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Kyanar: Remember, everything a certain 1930s Weimar Chancellor did was within the bounds of the Constitution of the Weimar Republic as well until democracy was well and truly dismantled. Which took 56 days. This article in the Atlantic describing how it happened is fantastic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-germany-constitution-authoritarianism/681233/?utm_source=apple_news (or if you have Apple News+: https://apple.news/Ageef1_SCRqO7E9DoQIs3ng) 

 

One caveat there is that the Weimar Republic was a Potemkin democracy forced on a deeply autocratic state by the victors of WWI.  If you look at the runup to what happened in the 1930s with its endless assassinations of political leaders, coups, revolutions, and totally dysfunctional attempted goverments (OK, I'll give you that last one for the US), what Hitler did was more remove the facade than tear down a functioning democracy.  Many people supported him because he was going to create stability and order, and for about a decade he did as long as you weren't part of certain targeted groups.

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  #3337421 30-Jan-2025 14:40
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gzt:

 

The sequence starting at 41:45 here. The spokesperson essentially repeats the many incorrect claims Trump made in a Truth Social post after issuing an executive order which had absolutely no effect on the actual reality. Similarly Elon Musk's DOGE department has apparently claimed DOGE did it. Looks like a lot of bogus cofeve flying in all directions.

 

 

Probably part of what Steve Bannon described of Trump's strategy, "flood the zone with s--t". Pity it wasn't water in this case, it might have helped a bit more than lies and falsehoods.

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  #3337532 30-Jan-2025 19:20
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neb:

 

One caveat there is that the Weimar Republic was a Potemkin democracy forced on a deeply autocratic state by the victors of WWI.  If you look at the runup to what happened in the 1930s with its endless assassinations of political leaders, coups, revolutions, and totally dysfunctional attempted goverments (OK, I'll give you that last one for the US), what Hitler did was more remove the facade than tear down a functioning democracy.  Many people supported him because he was going to create stability and order, and for about a decade he did as long as you weren't part of certain targeted groups.

 

 

Another caveat is that Trump ran on a campaign of doing the exact same thing as Hitler - reduce unemployment, deport "undesirables", reduce prices and lower inflation, lower crime, and "drain the swamp" - which I didn't realise until I read The Atlantic's article was a literal quote from Hitler.

 

When you look at how Congress is responding to Trump's unconstitutional actions, I do not believe it's a good idea to assume that we should at all caveat his attempts to destroy the US democracy.

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  #3337535 30-Jan-2025 19:59
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Okay, this meme doesn't need any fact checking, as it's purely for humour purposes 😀

 

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  #3337560 30-Jan-2025 22:41
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Kyanar: Another caveat is that Trump ran on a campaign of doing the exact same thing as Hitler - reduce unemployment, deport "undesirables", reduce prices and lower inflation, lower crime, and "drain the swamp" - which I didn't realise until I read The Atlantic's article was a literal quote from Hitler.

 

It probably isn't, there are no references to that phrase except that article and quotes of it.  Google also returns a hit to this, someone asking whether anyone knows where the alleged quote came from.  There are no replies, and that was 20 days ago.

 

Also, remove the "drain the swamp" Trump reference and it could be almost any conservative politician.  Take away the "deport undesirables" as well and it's any politician.

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  #3337574 31-Jan-2025 07:14
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gzt:

 

Claims contained in many of the meme-ish screenshots being posted here are not verifiable without some intense googling and clicking.

 

Sooner or later if it has not happened already these claims will be made in error and repeated.

 

At minimum please include a link to the source.

 

 

Okay, this one is for real, and yes, I did verify it (although in saying that, Meidas Touch is usually fairly reliable):

 

 

(see: https://www.newsweek.com/woman-given-jan-six-pardon-sentenced-drunk-driving-death-2023466) 

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  #3337577 31-Jan-2025 07:39
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Trump raises his ugly head again

 

 

 

Live: Russian skaters among the dead in US plane crash; Trump blames ‘diversity push’

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360565297/small-plane-crashes-river-washington-dc

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  #3337578 31-Jan-2025 07:41
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Kyanar:, and "drain the swamp" - which I didn't realise until I read The Atlantic's article was a literal quote from Hitler. 

 

The literal quote does not appear in the article. That is, a dangerous thing.

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  #3337583 31-Jan-2025 08:01
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I asked OpenAI's ChatGPT.com this question today. All bolding was from ChatGPT. I've never seen so much bolded text from ChatGPT before.

If it was human, I'd say he was being defensive and evasive.

It keeps repeating "if re-elected".

Maybe it should update its model, 'cause it appears a bit dated. It didn't point to any references either.

Me: "how many January 6 insurrectionists did Trump pardon?"

ChatGPT: "Donald Trump did not issue any pardons related to the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol before leaving office on January 20, 2021. His last batch of pardons and commutations, issued on January 19, 2021, did not include anyone charged in connection with the attack, as most arrests and prosecutions occurred after he left office.

However, Trump has since suggested that if he is re-elected, he may pardon some or all of the individuals convicted for their roles in the Capitol riot."

Me: Why did you exclude Trump granting clemency? what is difference between Trump granting clemency, and Trump giving pardon?

ChatGPT: Good question! The key difference between a pardon and clemency (which includes pardons, commutations, and other forms of relief) is the type of legal forgiveness granted. Here's a breakdown:

Pardon – A full legal forgiveness that erases a conviction as if it never happened. The person is freed from all legal consequences of the crime.

Commutation – A reduction of a sentence but does not erase the conviction. For example, someone in prison might get their sentence shortened but still have a criminal record.

Other Clemency Actions – This can include reprieves (temporary delays in punishment) or remissions of fines.

Did Trump Grant Clemency to Any January 6 Defendants?

No. Trump did not issue any pardons or commutations for January 6 defendants before leaving office on January 20, 2021. Since most arrests happened after he left office, he did not have a chance to pardon them at the time.

However, Trump has promised that if re-elected, he would consider pardoning or granting clemency to some or all of the January 6 defendants.

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Compare this to same question to Microsoft's Copilot. It also cited references.

Me: how many January 6 insurrectionists did Trump pardon?

Copilot: On January 20, 2025, President Donald Trump issued a proclamation granting clemency to about 1,500 people convicted of offenses related to the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack2. This included a mix of full pardons and commutations of sentences2.

It's a controversial move, to say the least. What are your thoughts on this?

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  #3337584 31-Jan-2025 08:03
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Sounds to me like ChatGPT needs some updating, as it mentions "if [he is] re-elected"?

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