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#2100201 2-Oct-2018 16:39

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Despite assurances that this isn't a problem, I just find it hard to believe that putting everything into lithium isn't going to end up with the same problem in 50 years or so. Either supply, or someone is going to find a critical issue or limitation with lithium that we can't overcome.

Lithium is very common in compounds, but not as an element ... Rule of thumb - lighter elements are more common, and lithium is 3rd lightest.

The problem is the specific enthalpy the theoretical maximum energy released by the battery reaction. There is a cap to the energy that can be released by a kg of reagent - from which losses like heat are deducted. Beyond that - make the rest of the car lighter.

uuuummmm what? strewth that went over my head so fast it nearly tipped my wheelchair over

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#2100217 2-Oct-2018 17:02

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I had a Grandmother, a sister and two Aunties die of cancer we do not need people to die of cancer, that is obscene.

I too have had people I care about die, and I have suffered myself. You should know me well enough now to know that the way you took it was of course not what I meant.

People are the biggest impact unnatural impact on the planet. You have spent the last few pages supporting extreme action taken to curb our planets decline, however proposing an extension to the average life expectancy will do so much more harm to the planet than ICE will. It's a hard and unpleasant truth.

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#2100221 2-Oct-2018 17:24

Logan's Run?

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#2100245 2-Oct-2018 18:14

MikeB4:
GV27:

You're almost certainly also talking about replacing the fleet with vehicles and technology that:

- Does not exist yet;

- May not exist in sufficient numbers to meet global demand once it does exist in a commercialised form.

- Will likely mean additional time is needed for those vehicles to become available in NZ.

Just flat out banning ICE vehicles for the feel-good factor of saying you did it before there's even viable alternatives is going to be effective at crippling lower-middle NZ and not much else.

What do you suggest we do then?

Here is my other post from earlier. In which people said that some of these things can't be done. But surely if reducing carbon emissions is important, then why is the government not doing these things?

Plenty of other things can be done to reduce carbon emissions. Some of which will even save people and companies money.

Get rid of the electricity low user regulations. This will allow retail electricity prices to fall to approx 10c per unit. Instead of the 25c+ per unit (and often far more) that it costs on low user plans. For comparison LPG costs around 16c per unit. So lots of tasks currently done with gas, will be switched to electricity. Reducing carbon emissions, encouraging more EVs via cheaper charging. And it will also help low income families, giving indirect savings on the health and social welfare budgets.

Get rid of the NOx emissions regulations that apply to petrol and diesel engines. Doing so yields approx 20% reduction in fuel usage and therefore carbon emissions. I can see some value in NOx emissions rules in large continental countries. But very little value in small countries such as NZ. Especially as NOx emissions are short lived in the atmosphere, get removed by rain, when they then become fertilizer, meaning faster plant growth- which means even larger reductions in atmospheric carbon. And only 20% or so of worldwide NOx emissions come from burning fossil fuels.

Reform the Resource Management Act to make it easier and cheaper to build new renewable generation. As environmental groups say that we need more renewable generation, yet when someone tries to actually build it. The environmentalists try to stop the construction or add on extra costs that make the project uneconomic. This means that power prices are higher than necessary, and those higher power prices mean higher profits to the owners of fossil fuel generation.

3 easy things to do that will help reduce carbon emissions. Don't require any government spending apart from one off costs from government time used to make law changes. And will then also improve the economy and living standards of low income families.

But instead the government sets up a climate change commission. Then makes a massive policy change without waiting for that commission to complete its work and report back to the government. Even though that change will cost the country billions, yet won't reduce carbon emissions. And in some cases will actually increase carbon emissions.

One example is the inevitable closure of the Methanol from Natural gas factory. The reduction in methanol production will be met by overseas methanol from coal plants. Which produce approx 6x the carbon emissions of the NZ methanol from gas plant, per unit of production.

One of the reasons why not - because some of the above policies go against Labour and Green party policies. In other words, politics is more important than the enviroment to them.

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#2100252 2-Oct-2018 18:53

networkn:
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Here is an idea, instead of building new power stations to meet the demand for EV energy the Government looks to providing homes with the means to produce their own energy. It would be interesting to compare the cost of a new Dam, Wind Farm, Geothermal station with the cost of grants to fund Solar power in homes.

Hmm, I am sure someone smart actually made mention of this a few responses back :)

Not going to work. As hydro power can generate power 24/7 as long as there is enough rain. Hydro can provide reserve and black start capability. While solar only provides max output around midday. And only when it is sunny. On cloudy days, solar only provides 10-15% of its rated output.

In addition to the above, how would the economics work? As the whole reason why a power company builds a power station, is to make money by selling the electricity that will be generated by that station. So if a power company puts solar panels on your house, they would have to bill you for the power that is generated that you self consume. Which would negate the benefit to you from having solar.

And peak demand in NZ happens on cold winters evenings. Right when solar has zero output. And before you say - batteries. The cost Vs amount of storage is just way too expensive. Even for someone who's usage is on the limit between standard and low user. They would need the battery capacity equivalent to a Nissan leaf. And that is assuming that they don't own an EV.

Then all of the above will need replacing every 10 years or so. While a hydro power station will last approx 100 years. And is far far cheaper on a full lifecycle cost. Just look at how much hydro power was built 50+ years ago in NZ. Despite coal being cheap and readily available. And no one caring in the slightest about carbon emissions 50 years ago.

And why is hydro power so bad anyway? Considering it is renewable generation.

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#2101281 4-Oct-2018 09:04

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12136633

He makes a reasonable point. All that Kiwibuild is doing, is gifting a massive chunk of capital gains, to those in the 87% of NZ'rs who are eligible to purchase them.

This was an awful idea, with *terrible* execution.

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#2101286 4-Oct-2018 09:17

More housing is urgently required and the building program will increase supply. Hosking seems to both understand that and deny it at the same time.

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#2101290 4-Oct-2018 09:20

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12136633

He makes a reasonable point. All that Kiwibuild is doing, is gifting a massive chunk of capital gains, to those in the 87% of NZ'rs who are eligible to purchase them.

This was an awful idea, with *terrible* execution.

Mr Hosking has not seen the light of day for many years, his rightwing "look at me I am so rich" BS clouds his every judgement and diatribes.

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#2101292 4-Oct-2018 09:25

MikeB4:

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12136633

He makes a reasonable point. All that Kiwibuild is doing, is gifting a massive chunk of capital gains, to those in the 87% of NZ'rs who are eligible to purchase them.

This was an awful idea, with *terrible* execution.

Mr Hosking has not seen the light of day for many years, his rightwing "look at me I am so rich" BS clouds his every judgement and diatribes.

C'mon Mike - that's nothing more than attacking the person rather than the argument. I understand that's a breach of the FUG...

FWIW, Hosking hit the nail on the head yesterday with his column on Bridges. Extremely poor performance by the leader of the opposition.

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#2101294 4-Oct-2018 09:27

MikeB4:

Mr Hosking has not seen the light of day for many years, his rightwing "look at me I am so rich" BS clouds his every judgement and diatribes.

Whilst Hosking has his moments, discounting everything he says, just because it's him, is no less closed minded than you would accuse him of being.

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#2101296 4-Oct-2018 09:29

gzt: More housing is urgently required and the building program will increase supply. Hosking seems to both understand that and deny it at the same time.

And if the Government hadn't pitched them as affordable and then offered them to 87% of the population, whilst underestimating ability to actually deliver, then the critisism levelled at them may not be warranted.

There are other things the Government could have done to stimulate more houses being built without this horrendous program.

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#2101304 4-Oct-2018 09:37

networkn:

MikeB4:

Mr Hosking has not seen the light of day for many years, his rightwing "look at me I am so rich" BS clouds his every judgement and diatribes.

Whilst Hosking has his moments, discounting everything he says, just because it's him, is no less closed minded than you would accuse him of being.

I dont ignore him but 99% of what he rights meets my discription. There are far better commentators out there he is just a self promoting, not sure what he is really he is not a journalist, best adjective is a ratings tool for his employer.

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#2101306 4-Oct-2018 09:42

MikeB4:

I dont ignore him but 99% of what he rights meets my discription. There are far better commentators out there he is just a self promoting, not sure what he is really he is not a journalist, best adjective is a ratings tool for his employer.

That's interesting, because I would strongly disagree that 99% of anything he writes meets that standard. There were a series of pieces he did, which were CLEARLY a windup, that might have met that description and if that is all you have read recently, then you may have formed that opinion, but I personally don't see his commentary as too far off at least some of the time. For example, his article as @6fiend alluded to, critising Bridges for a very poorly handled matter to do with an MP on leave, was 100% on the money (Though I notice our PM couldn't help but stick her boot in which isn't very "kind"). I don't think his comments on the housing situation are that far off either.

Are there better political commentators, sure, probably, however, this doesn't mean everything he says is nonsense.

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#2101436 4-Oct-2018 11:38

networkn:

MikeB4:

I dont ignore him but 99% of what he rights meets my discription.

Are there better political commentators, sure, probably, however, this doesn't mean everything he says is nonsense.

What are you arguing about here? MikeB4's estimate of 1% not being nonsense seems about right.

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#2101442 4-Oct-2018 11:41

Fred99:

What are you arguing about here? MikeB4's estimate of 1% not being nonsense seems about right.

I'm arguring that his estimation that 99% of what Hosking writes is right wing "I'm so rich, look at me" BS, isn't correct.

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