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  #3413771 11-Sep-2025 13:52
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I am a Democrat supporter. I continue to interact with individuals at the highest levels of the Party. I don't agree with everything they stand for. I think for myself and I don't ascribe Charlie Kirk in the negative terms expressed by others. I would like the temperature to be taken down politically for the good of the country and for more bi-partisan co-operation to occur.

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  #3413773 11-Sep-2025 14:00
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Asteros:

 

I would like the temperature to be taken down politically for the good of the country and for more bi-partisan co-operation to occur.

 

 

Then look to President Trump; it is totally within his power to "bring the temperature down" and foster bi-partisanship as you say - yet all I ever see and hear from him is hatred and division, mostly directed at the other side of the aisle, and even most Republicans who commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with him. In his view, if you're not 100% totally and utterly on his side, you're an enemy who needs to be brought down.

 

Until he modifies the way he speaks - remember, a president's words do matter - I don't see the temperature "coming down" anytime soon. Calling Democrats childish names like "libtards" and acting like the playground bully is not going to appeal to anyone outside of his base, nor does it do anything to help the situation, it only inflames things. From what I know, Kirk took a lot of his cues for things to say from Trump himself, which only serves to reinforce my view that any change along the lines of what you're thinking of has to come from the top.

 

I sometimes think of George Bush (Bush's son, btw). I wasn't too keen on him and honestly thought he came across as a bit...er..."uneducated". But I didn't hear him running around calling Democrats childish names because they challenged him or disagreed with him. He tried his best to make things work. No, I don't agree with the two pointless wars he started - but Jesus Christ, stand him next to Trump and - in this day and age - Bush almost comes across as a total gentleman by comparison.

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  #3413790 11-Sep-2025 14:42
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quickymart:

 

Asteros:

 

I would like the temperature to be taken down politically for the good of the country and for more bi-partisan co-operation to occur.

 

 

Then look to President Trump; it is totally within his power to "bring the temperature down" and foster bi-partisanship as you say - yet all I ever see and hear from him is hatred and division, mostly directed at the other side of the aisle, and even most Republicans who commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with him. In his view, if you're not 100% totally and utterly on his side, you're an enemy who needs to be brought down.

 

Until he modifies the way he speaks - remember, a president's words do matter - I don't see the temperature "coming down" anytime soon. Calling Democrats childish names like "libtards" and acting like the playground bully is not going to appeal to anyone outside of his base, nor does it do anything to help the situation, it only inflames things. From what I know, Kirk took a lot of his cues for things to say from Trump himself, which only serves to reinforce my view that any change along the lines of what you're thinking of has to come from the top.

 

I sometimes think of George Bush (Bush's son, btw). I wasn't too keen on him and honestly thought he came across as a bit...er..."uneducated". But I didn't hear him running around calling Democrats childish names because they challenged him or disagreed with him. He tried his best to make things work. No, I don't agree with the two pointless wars he started - but Jesus Christ, stand him next to Trump and - in this day and age - Bush almost comes across as a total gentleman by comparison.

 

 

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  #3413803 11-Sep-2025 14:50
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Asteros:

 

I am a Democrat supporter. I continue to interact with individuals at the highest levels of the Party. I don't agree with everything they stand for. I think for myself and I don't ascribe Charlie Kirk in the negative terms expressed by others. I would like the temperature to be taken down politically for the good of the country and for more bi-partisan co-operation to occur.

 

 

I realise other people have different opinions to me but to earn my respect those people need to be able to justify their positions. Using facts to do so is a minimum requirement. In this 'post-truth' world, people like Charlie Kirk who use lies and disinformation don't even reach the bar for me to consider them a functioning adult.

 

 

 

Are you happy with his denialist views on Covid?

 

Do you think his claims of electoral fraud deserve a negative view?

 

 




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  #3413806 11-Sep-2025 15:01
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gzt: Perhaps you have not seen Kirk's interview on his channel with the white nationalist type Steve Sailer.


I pulled up a different browser, and didn't log in, because I didn't want Youtube to think I wanted more of this type of material ... and I'm glad I took those precautions

I found on Charlie's Youtube titled "The Brutal Story Every Fake News Outlet Continues to Ignore." from last week.

Contrary to what Charlie says, the murderer's mother did not formally request involuntary commitment of her deranged son.

Shortly before the attack, during a misdemeanor arrest, the murderer reportedly told officers he was being controlled by a “human-made substance” that dictated when he could eat, talk, or walk. It took over six months for the court to order a mental health evaluation. Everyone agrees the system failed to act on clear signs of mental instability.

"We have of the stabbing murder of a young white lady who was stabbed to death by a black criminal by a complete stranger on a train in Charlotte [North Carolina].
... this guy was sitting minding his own. She was minding her own business. She was also dressed in baggy clothes [serious W.T.F., why is her clothes relevent?]. He comes up, takes out a knife, stabs her to death. 14 times he was previously arrested.
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You can create a society and a culture where you can get on a train or a subway and not be this young white lady and get stabbed to death in the neck because some black black criminal decides I'm just going to go do it. 14 times he was previously arrested and all of the Koch brother funded liberal criminal justice BS is the reason why guys like him are still on the streets. 14 times.
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Liberal media says the gruesome attack of the fatal knife attack has MAGA influencers seeking to elevate the issue of violent urban crime. Oh, this is all about MAGA influencers now. Oh, it's not about the fact that a white Ukrainian refugee was murdered just because she was white.
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If a random white person simply walked up to and stabbed a nice law-abiding black person for no reason, it would be an apocalyptically huge national story used to impose national sweeping political changes on the whole country. No one seems to care when a white woman gets stabbed to the death.
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This guy's mother tried to get him involuntarily committed. She has said he was not safe to be on the streets. And she actually tried to do something because she knew he was a threat. And instead, we have a criminal justice system here that was sold out to social justice instead of actual justice.
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  #3413807 11-Sep-2025 15:01
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Asteros:

 

As a Democrat supporter I ask everyone a question. 

 

Have you watched Charlie Kirk's videos on Youtube which have gotten millions of views?

 

Until this year I had not. After watching them I changed my mind about the man. I think both sides need to listen to what each other are saying otherwise it will lead to further violence.

 

 

The USA is in this terrible mess because Donald Trump's videos also got millions of views on YouTube.

 

IMO, anyone who adopts a stance, or bases their options upon anything Trump has said, is brainwashed.

 

Ergo, anyone who respects the views of any Trump follower is also brainwashed. 

 

The inference is clear, and it also aligns with the polarized state of the USA: Trump supporters are brainwashed, Trump deniers are not.




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  #3413809 11-Sep-2025 15:07
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@Asteros: further to my comment above, case in point:

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/572727/live-us-conservative-commentator-trump-ally-charlie-kirk-killed-in-shooting

 

Barely 24 hours after Kirk was shot, we have this from the president:

 

"This is a dark moment for America," Trump said.

 

He blamed Kirk's killing on "radical left political violence" - despite the fact the shooter is yet to be identified or their motives made clear.

 

US President Donald Trump says violence and murder was the "tragic consequence" of "demonising those with whom you disagree".

 

Let's break this down - first of all, Trump is playing judge, jury and executioner, already pointing the finger at the other side, despite us having (at this stage) no clue of the alleged shooters political leanings.

 

Bush for example (since I mentioned him above) would probably have put out a statement in this situation along the lines of "we're going to hunt the folks down who did this and hold them accountable". A similar message, but Bush isn't singling someone out as he doesn't have all the information. Yet this is exactly what Trump did, blaming the other side without even knowing who the shooter is.

 

He also comments on "demonising those with whom you disagree" - this is exactly what he does every single day! It's only an issue if it's coming from the other side, I guess 🙄

 

Every time I hear Trump bang on about "uniting the country", I honestly laugh out loud. As long as continues speaking the way he does, the only "uniting" he'll be doing will be getting Republicans to fall into line behind him, and Democrats to fall into line against him. Maybe he could try thinking about the impact of his words before he says something? It's amazing what a little courtesy towards the opposition can achieve.

 

 

 

I'll grant you that resolving this isn't 100% Trump's job to do, but when he says misinformed things (or outright lies) like this, he sure as hell isn't "bringing down the temperature", all he's doing is inflaming it and pointing the finger at someone does not help. His administration and followers basically follow his lead, so if he's "decided" someone orchestrated this shooting against Kirk, my God you better believe MAGA are going to go after them, facts and evidence be damned. re your comment about Democrats "listening to the other side" - when is Trump going to start listening to the Democrats (ie, the other side)? Or anyone who disagrees with him? Or is it purely up to "the other side" to be the bigger person and do it first, then keep on doing it forever, while Trump remains obstinate and changes nothing about himself? 🤷‍♂️

 

There's definitely things Trump can do to make this situation better, but unless it pleases the MAGA base, I don't see him changing anything (especially his language and rhetoric) anytime soon.

 

With this in mind, how would you propose "bringing down the temperature"?

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  #3413817 11-Sep-2025 15:37
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I am a Democrat. I urge my fellow Democrats to work with Republicans to find consensus and peace for the Country. I urge Republicans to work with Democrats to find consensus and peace for the Country. 42 said many times that everyone has lost money betting against America and I strongly believe that to be true now and into the future. 

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  #3413821 11-Sep-2025 15:45
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Asteros:

 

I urge Republicans to work with Democrats to find consensus and peace for the Country.

 

How well does that go these days, when their leader has been basically demonising Democrats as the enemy and pitting the parties against each other (for his pleasure) for almost a decade now?

 

Yes, there are times it does work, granted - but it's a lot less often than it used to be. While it's good you work to find common ground, I'd wager that ground is becoming scarcer and scarcer in the (highly polarised) era of Trump.

 

 

 

Thinking of Charlie Kirk specifically, how would you respond to the questions @elpenguino asked above?

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  #3413830 11-Sep-2025 16:04
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I am an optimist. I guess that’s what makes me an American.

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  #3413835 11-Sep-2025 16:17
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geekIT:

 

The USA is in this terrible mess because Donald Trump's videos also got millions of views on YouTube.

 

IMO, anyone who adopts a stance, or bases their options upon anything Trump has said, is brainwashed.

 

Ergo, anyone who respects the views of any Trump follower is also brainwashed. 

 

The inference is clear, and it also aligns with the polarized state of the USA: Trump supporters are brainwashed, Trump deniers are not.

 




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  #3413837 11-Sep-2025 16:24
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Asteros: I am a Democrat supporter. I continue to interact with individuals at the highest levels of the Party. I don't agree with everything they stand for. I think for myself and I don't ascribe Charlie Kirk in the negative terms expressed by others. I would like the temperature to be taken down politically for the good of the country and for more bi-partisan co-operation to occur.

This one doesn't look like a partisan issue it looks like another nutjob with a gun. I see Trump is saying "radical left" today. Who knows. The guy that shot at Trump seems to have been known as a Republican supporter and shot at Trump for who knows what reasons on the day.

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  #3413838 11-Sep-2025 16:36
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Asteros:

 

I am an optimist. I guess that’s what makes me an American.

 

 

So, all Americans are optimistic about the future. The shame is that half of you are optimistic about Donald Trump's leadership, while the other half are optimistic that almost anyone else would make a better leader.




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  #3413840 11-Sep-2025 16:54
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Asteros:

 

I am an optimist. I guess that’s what makes me an American.

 

 

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

 

Only about 40-45% of the country feels the same way as you at the moment. As an aside, my partner is an American too but I'm feeling a lot of optimism coming from her about her homeland.

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  #3413843 11-Sep-2025 16:59
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Asteros:

 

I am an optimist. I guess that’s what makes me an American.

 

 

The only thing I know for sure is you won't answer a direct question.




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