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  #3415599 17-Sep-2025 12:31
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gzt: ...Given the range of weird messages engraved on the shell casings the provider of the armaments may have had their own combination of motives.


Regarding the assassin Tyler, everyone has grasped unto "Hey fascist! Catch!" because it's meaning seem clear.

But there were a number of weird messages engraved / painted on the weapons / bullets that seemed to be gibberish.

But the same could be said of the Christchurch mosque shooter.

These assassins may have been sane at some point, but after living in internet rabbit-holes, that is no longer the case.

Frequently social-media posts have layers upon layers of irony, until it becomes meaningless.

"↑ → ↓↓↓" is a reference to video game "Helldivers 2" ; it summons the “Eagle 500 kg Bomb.

“If you read this, you are gay.": A popular, childish taunt, with no meaning.

The lyrics to the Italian song “Bella Ciao.": and old Italian folk/partisan song, that featured on "La Casa de Papel" / "Money Heist" on Netflix. People often post or sing it as a symbol of resistance or as a meme anthem of rebellion.

Yankee Doodle

This weird twisting of things sort of thing goes back to “Yankee Doodle”. It was a mocking song written by British troops to ridicule American colonists (“Yankees”), portraying them as unsophisticated bumpkins.

The American colonists reclaimed the song during the Revolutionary War.

By the 19th century, “Yankee Doodle” was already well-established as a patriotic American anthem in the North, in particular the Union army.

Which the Confederate rebel troops would perform, to mock the North.

Lesson: don't try to assign meaning to the ramblings of madmen.

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  #3415631 17-Sep-2025 14:42
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The NY Times - Trump Invokes Kirk’s Killing in Justifying Measures to Silence Opponents  (unlocked link)

 

16 Sep 2025

 

This article is worth reading ...

 


President Trump has begun a major escalation in his long-running efforts to stifle political opposition in the United States, using the assassination of the right-wing activist Charlie Kirk to make the baseless argument that Democratic organizations and protesters are part of a violent conspiracy against conservative values and the American way of life. ...

 

We want everything to be fair; it hasn’t been fair, and the radical left has done tremendous damage to the country,” Mr. Trump told reporters on Tuesday, as he continued to play down and excuse violence on the right. “But we’re fixing it.” ...

 

Mr. Trump’s aggressive moves to target only his political opponents is a continuation of his attempts to wield power - through lawsuits, executive orders and public intimidation - to punish people and institutions that power the political left, or that he believes wronged him. ...

 

 

 

 

EDIT:   The Guardian - We must not let the shooting of Charlie Kirk become Trump’s Reichstag fire   (17 Sep 2025)

 

 

The Reichstag fire of 27 February 1933 was seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.

 

 

Trump has long thrived on chaos and disorder.

 

Where real crises do not exist, he fabricates them - including imagined crime pandemics in Los Angeles, Washington DC and Chicago. 

 

Fake chaos fuels his power grab. Now he has been handed chaos on a silver platter.

 

No wonder he couldn’t care less if the nation comes together.





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  #3415646 17-Sep-2025 16:44
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Why is Kirk's murder being called an assassination, like it's some kind of "special" type of crime? 
He was murdered by a gunman. That's largely it. 





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  #3415651 17-Sep-2025 17:43
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Handsomedan:

 

Why is Kirk's murder being called an assassination, like it's some kind of "special" type of crime? 
He was murdered by a gunman. That's largely it. 

 

 

Because the American Right are prone to hyperbole, exaggeration, and hysteria.


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  #3415757 17-Sep-2025 21:00
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Handsomedan:

Why is Kirk's murder being called an assassination, like it's some kind of "special" type of crime? 
He was murdered by a gunman. That's largely it. 



I can see why you object. Assassination is a strong word; it carries implications beyond just “the person was shot.” It implies political stakes.

Since we don't know all the facts, calling it an assassination may be premature or editorializing.

When in doubt look to the Batman universe :)

Bruce Wayne’s parents, Thomas and Martha Wayne, were murdered in a mugging gone wrong in Crime Alley. The motive was robbery; it was a random street crime.

Why it’s considered a murder, not an assassination: even though they were wealthy, the Waynes weren’t targeted for their status. The killer, Joe Chill (in most versions), wanted money/jewelry.

In contrast to murder, several villains in Batman lore have carried out, or attempted, assassinations of Gotham’s mayor. The motive was always political / ideological. It was planned due to the mayor’s public role or influence.

Why it’s an assassination attempt: it’s not random violence. it’s a calculated strike against someone in power for a reason tied to their position.

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  #3415758 17-Sep-2025 21:03
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The Oxford English Dictionary has this to say about assassination:

 

 "The murder of a person (esp. a prominent public figure) in a planned attack, typically with a political or ideological motive, sometimes carried out by a hired or professional killer; a murderous attack of this kind."

 

This would appear to fit this definition. 


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  #3415764 17-Sep-2025 22:10
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Sideface: The NY Times - Trump Invokes Kirk’s Killing in Justifying Measures to Silence Opponents  (unlocked link)

! Surprising that it was all lined up before Kirk !:

briefed senior White House officials in recent months on a range of donors, nonprofit groups and fund-raising techniques, while also providing research briefs, including one titled “Marching Toward Violence,” that purported to draw a connection between anti-Israel protests on college campuses and terrorism.

Summarizing the rest of the linked article:

- Strategy planned several months ago
- Vance in the podcast named the Soros foundation and the Ford Foundation
- Trump talked about revoking tax-exempt status for foundations
- Article says only one method can do that weirdly - name them as terror organizations!
- Article says even that may be shaky ground because law does not cover domestic only international

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  #3415778 17-Sep-2025 22:26
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I have no idea how tax exempt status works in USA. If superpacs and the like paid tax on income I guess that would be the normal 21% corporate tax? and since they don't make a profit anyway just like Google and Facebook lol I guess they would not pay much?

I don't see how the tax angle works apart from making more work for accountants.

Being designated as a terrorist organization - that would be the killer if it effectively denies all banking and financial services and the rest of it. It's hard to imagine the Ford Foundation and the Open Society Foundation being on the same list with ISIS and Al-Qaeda. Ridiculous.

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  #3415790 17-Sep-2025 23:46
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There is a conspiracy theory that Kirk was killed by Israel because he gave several conservative Israel critics a good hearing at Turning Point USA conferences recently. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly, Dave Smith. I have not spent any real time watching them but they are extremely critical of Israel on various points and for the most part got a warm reception from the TPUSA crowd.

Kirk is said to have made one or two statements himself. It seems to be a thing on Facebook and Instagram not so many examples on YouTube. You can get some flavor of it from Kirk's recent appearance on Megan Kelly's show:




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  #3415872 18-Sep-2025 11:26
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gzt: I have no idea how tax exempt status works in USA. If superpacs and the like paid tax on income I guess that would be the normal 21% corporate tax?


Summary: the US has the best politis money can buy, and is f__ked.

Details:

A US registered non-profit 501(c)(3) can engage in nonpartisan activities like voter registration drives, get-out-the-vote campaigns, and public education on policy issues.

The important rule is they cannot favor a specific candidate or party.

In related rules, churches, synagogues, mosques, and other houses of worship are considered 501(c)(3) nonprofits, if operated exclusively for religious purposes.

Churches (like all 501(c)(3)s) cannot endorse or oppose political candidates, either from the pulpit, in church publications, or by using church resources.

Violations should cost a church its tax-exempt status ... but .. the reality is it doesn't.

The IRS has rarely enforced this rule against churches.

Some pastors even participate in “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” where they deliberately endorse candidates to challenge the IRS. The IRS has mostly avoided cracking down, due to lack of having a spine.

Super PACs are entirely different from 501(c)(3)s. They can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to support or oppose political candidates.

In theory they cannot coordinate directly with campaigns ... but who is going to provide proof when they do? Unless it's very blatant, like publishing something like "We're a Super-PAC, and we coordinated with Republican party before showing funded social media video", they regularly thumb their nose at the restriction.

In a baffling rule, any money Super-Pacs receive for their political activity is not taxed. Money comes from (contributions, membership dues, fundraising. (

investment income (e.g., interest, dividends) is taxable. Likely to be almost zero.

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  #3415881 18-Sep-2025 12:06
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The party of free speech and anti-cancel culture just cancelled Jimmy Kimmel.

 

Bunch of snowflakes.

 

What was that MAGA keeps saying? Oh, right:

 





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  #3415892 18-Sep-2025 12:52
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freitasm:

 

The party of free speech and anti-cancel culture just cancelled Jimmy Kimmel.

 

 

The only free speech is the right speech...

 





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  #3415895 18-Sep-2025 13:10
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The offending comments approx 2:20 to 7:20. Kimmel criticizes and makes fun of Trump and his comments about the new Whitehouse ballroom after Kirk's death. After that Kimmel makes fun of Patel's FBI investigation.


Looks like Trump was the target of the humor entirely, and Kirk not at all.

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  #3415897 18-Sep-2025 13:22
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Looking at this article - Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments - there seems to be a veiled threat from FCC that they would take action against ABC if something wasn't done. This is nothing more than a politically motivated attack on Kimmel's free speech - the very same thing MAGA claims to hold dear. Kimmel, like Colbert, has been an outspoken critic of Trump and the administration wants him silenced. Classic dictator move.


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