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  #3417944 23-Sep-2025 15:30
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What a common "senior" mistake: thinking you're posting a private message, but accidently send a broadcast message. Except for Trump where he accidently sent to 6.5 million followers.

Still he could have been caught sending this "mushroom" picture to daughter Ivanka.

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  #3418010 23-Sep-2025 16:30
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What Kimmel said, while not technically untrue, struck me as being intentionally misleading and strongly implied the Charlie Kirk shooter was MAGA. By all accounts the available evidence (even at the time) didn't support that.

 

Kimmel was speaking as an employee of ABC/Disney. In that context he can't say whatever he wants without consequence, just like I can't say whatever I want while at work (or when acting as a representative of my workplace) without consequence.

 

Regardless, Kimmel's show apparently loses millions every year, and ABC/Disney were likely grateful for a convenient reason to take him off the air. I think it was far less about political pressure, and more about mitigating further losses from lost advertiser revenue. Unfortunately for them, the backlash from the left has forced them to reverse course and keep financing a show that loses them money. I'd be incredibly surprised if it gets renewed when his contract expires next year.

 

People are sick of the divisive nature of the MSM, from both sides of the aisle, and are understandably tuning out.

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  #3418011 23-Sep-2025 16:35
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Paul1977:

 

What Kimmel said, while not technically untrue, struck me as being intentionally misleading and strongly implied the Charlie Kirk shooter was MAGA. By all accounts the available evidence (even at the time) didn't support that.

 

 

True. Apparently even more to the right than MAGA.




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  #3418013 23-Sep-2025 16:47
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True. Apparently even more to the right than MAGA.

 

 

What's the evidence that the shooter falls into that camp?

 

Sure, there are ultra extreme right wing nut jobs who think the standard MAGA crowd aren't right wing enough. But what I've read about the shooter doesn't support that (happy to be proven wrong). If anything it sounds like a mentally unstable youth rebelling against a conservative upbringing.

 

To say he is representative of either side is probably untrue.

 

But I can't help but think that the constant demonisation of one's political opponents leads to an environment that can make unstable people believe that political opponents truly are the monsters that they often get called. Most of the time they aren't.

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  #3418017 23-Sep-2025 17:04
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Just like many homicidal maniacs, their politics can be all over the place.

Remember Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old Trump shooter from Pennsylvania? He had photos of Biden, and searched for Biden’s campaign events. He also had images of Catherine, Princess of Wales saved on his phone.

Jimmy Kimmel was saying that conservatives were striving to make the shooter a Democrat / left-winger, by scape-goating the left-wing.

Donald Trump said “We have radical left lunatics out there and we just have to beat the hell out of them.”.

Donald Trump during the memorial blamed the “radical left” for Kirk’s death.

Vice-President JD Vance said “left-wing extremism … is part of the reason why Charlie was killed by an assassin’s bullet.”.

Elon Musk posted “The Left is the party of murder.”.

Stephen Miller described left-wing ideology as a “twisted, depraved … ideology … that leads, always, inevitably and willfully, to violence.”.

Marjorie Taylor Greene “They assassinated our nice guy who actually talked to them peacefully debating ideas.”.

Far right Candace Owens posted “WE DID THIS” in the context of claiming credit for quickly pushing the idea that the shooter must have been a leftist or inspired by Democrats.

Pete Hegseth, United States Secretary of Defense War, repeatedly framed “the left” as an existential domestic threat and tied leftism to violent outcomes.

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  #3418022 23-Sep-2025 17:21
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Paul1977: Kimmel was speaking as an employee of ABC/Disney. In that context he can't say whatever he wants without consequence, just like I can't say whatever I want while at work (or when acting as a representative of my workplace) without consequence.

It is very unlikely that Kimmel is an employee of Disney. Nearly all the big names run things under their own production companies and sell their product to a network. That doesn't really change your main point of course.

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  #3418029 23-Sep-2025 17:36
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kingdragonfly: Just like many homicidal maniacs, their politics can be all over the place.

Remember Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old Trump shooter from Pennsylvania? He had photos of Biden, and searched for Biden’s campaign events. He also had images of Catherine, Princess of Wales saved on his phone.

Jimmy Kimmel was saying that conservatives were striving to make the shooter a Democrat / left-winger, by scape-goating the left-wing.

Donald Trump said “We have radical left lunatics out there and we just have to beat the hell out of them.”.

Donald Trump during the memorial blamed the “radical left” for Kirk’s death.

Vice-President JD Vance said “left-wing extremism … is part of the reason why Charlie was killed by an assassin’s bullet.”.

Elon Musk posted “The Left is the party of murder.”.

Stephen Miller described left-wing ideology as a “twisted, depraved … ideology … that leads, always, inevitably and willfully, to violence.”.

Marjorie Taylor Greene “They assassinated our nice guy who actually talked to them peacefully debating ideas.”.

Far right Candace Owens posted “WE DID THIS” in the context of claiming credit for quickly pushing the idea that the shooter must have been a leftist or inspired by Democrats.

Pete Hegseth, United States Secretary of Defense War, repeatedly framed “the left” as an existential domestic threat and tied leftism to violent outcomes.

 

If so, then he made is point by heavily implying that shooter was MAGA. So guilty of the same thing he was criticising.

 

I don’t know that there is much to be gained from it, but it could be argued that a nutter who holds leftists views and acts violently on them is a left wing extremist. But those suggesting the shooter is somehow representative of the left as a group is disingenuous.

 

However, when it’s constantly said that conservatives are Nazis and facists it’s predictable that some people will believe it, and that some nutter might act on that belief. People can disagree with conservatives all they like, but they are objectively very far from being Nazis. The rhetoric from both sides is dangerous.

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  #3418030 23-Sep-2025 17:38
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kingdragonfly: Officials wondered if Trump’s public post to Bondi about targeting enemies was meant to be private.

‘We can’t delay any longer’: Trump urges Bondi to prosecute his rivals: Politico

In a Truth Social post Saturday, the president specifically called out Senator Adam Schiff, former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James for prosecution.
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It was a remarkable public message to the nation’s top law enforcement officer, linking his personal grievances over his own criminal prosecutions and congressional impeachments to a potential decision by federal prosecutors to level criminal charges against his adversaries. Trump’s frustration stemmed in part, he said, from “30 statements and posts” from allies that complained “nothing is being done” to punish his longtime rivals.
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No doubt Bondi is still provided with actual legal advice instead of the various rantings of magaworld and is not terribly keen to lose a whole lot of cases.

Trump's whole life he's initiated legal action just to mess with people and waste their time and energy. If the target can afford equally competent legal representation and takes it all the way to court Trump rarely wins.

Tldr; Trump pressuring Bondi to fight his losing battles.

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  #3418038 23-Sep-2025 18:01
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Paul1977:

 

However, when it’s constantly said that conservatives are Nazis and facists it’s predictable that some people will believe it, and that some nutter might act on that belief. People can disagree with conservatives all they like, but they are objectively very far from being Nazis. The rhetoric from both sides is dangerous.

 

 

Conservatives are not nazis and fascists. Some are.

 

I think this is more visible in the USA. The power grab is astounding. The current government is in a trajectory to replace public servants with loyalists. Only people who kneel in front of their God President are allowed to continue. And if they dare speak anything against the edicts they, too, will be tossed away.

 

Rights are being trampled upon. Undesirables are being dehumanised. Nationalism is rampant.

 

There's no way to look at what's happening there and do not worry for the lives of those in that country.




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  #3418040 23-Sep-2025 18:05
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kingdragonfly: Just like many homicidal maniacs, their politics can be all over the place. Remember Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old Trump shooter from Pennsylvania? He had photos of Biden, and searched for Biden’s campaign events. He also had images of Catherine, Princess of Wales saved on his phone.

The family of the Kirk accused says he had recently developed an interest in politics and had spoken against Kirk during a recent family dinner. Other than that there are no details of what that perspective might have been and whether it was right libertarian or left libertarian or just anti-Kirk for some reason.

USA being USA a firearm is never far away. It still surprises me the guy chose to grab a gun and shoot Kirk instead of lining up to argue with Kirk like other people at the event.

Looks like the family are not doing interviews. Maybe some of those mysteries will be cleared up during the trial.

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  #3418058 23-Sep-2025 18:15
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Paul1977:

 

But I can't help but think that the constant demonisation of one's political opponents leads to an environment that can make unstable people believe that political opponents truly are the monsters that they often get called. Most of the time they aren't.

 

 

As I said to someone else a few pages back, if you really want to "bring down the [political] temperature" in the US, look at Trump. He is constantly pointing the finger at the left as the party to blame for all of America's ills/things that go wrong, conveniently ignoring the fact that he has a hand in a lot of the bad stuff that's happening there right now too. Are the Democrats to blame for ICE rounding up legal immigrants and sending them off to God-knows-where? In the orange buffoon's eyes, 100% absolutely.

 

I can categorically state that he will never "unite the country" and get the entire population behind him - in fact he won't even get half of them. Why should the other side support him when he endlessly makes them the scapegoat for his own (and his party's) failings?

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  #3418065 23-Sep-2025 18:29
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quickymart:

 

As I said to someone else a few pages back, if you really want to "bring down the [political] temperature" in the US, look at Trump. He is constantly pointing the finger at the left as the party to blame for all of America's ills/things that go wrong, conveniently ignoring the fact that he has a hand in a lot of the bad stuff that's happening there right now too. Are the Democrats to blame for ICE rounding up legal immigrants and sending them off to God-knows-where? In the orange buffoon's eyes, 100% absolutely.

 

I can categorically state that he will never "unite the country" and get the entire population behind him - in fact he won't even get half of them. Why should the other side support him when he endlessly makes them the scapegoat for his own (and his party's) failings?

 

 

It has to come from both sides. The left are just as guilty of keeping the political temperature high, and many of the leaders on that side blame the right for everything that’s wrong. They each act as badly as the other.

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  #3418068 23-Sep-2025 18:33
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Paul1977:

 

quickymart:

 

As I said to someone else a few pages back, if you really want to "bring down the [political] temperature" in the US, look at Trump. He is constantly pointing the finger at the left as the party to blame for all of America's ills/things that go wrong, conveniently ignoring the fact that he has a hand in a lot of the bad stuff that's happening there right now too. Are the Democrats to blame for ICE rounding up legal immigrants and sending them off to God-knows-where? In the orange buffoon's eyes, 100% absolutely.

 

I can categorically state that he will never "unite the country" and get the entire population behind him - in fact he won't even get half of them. Why should the other side support him when he endlessly makes them the scapegoat for his own (and his party's) failings?

 

 

It has to come from both sides. The left are just as guilty of keeping the political temperature high, and many of the leaders on that side blame the right for everything that’s wrong. They each act as badly as the other.

 

 

When the American right spent years blocking every law submitted to congress, redesigned maps to allow only their own party to win, did not denounce mob attacks on the seat of the legislative and allowed a felon to be a candidate and president, I think there's a lot that is being ignored here.




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  #3418073 23-Sep-2025 19:00
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Paul1977:

 

It has to come from both sides. The left are just as guilty of keeping the political temperature high, and many of the leaders on that side blame the right for everything that’s wrong. They each act as badly as the other.

 

 

Can you please name for me a prominent left-wing American politician who felt (and said) that Charlie Kirk deserved what he got and it came from the other side? Because (essentially) that's what Trump did - however he pointed the finger of blame at the left. Note that doesn't mean saying "I disagree with what Charlie Kirk believed in", as that's not hate speech. (Calling for him to be shot or killed for simply voicing his opinion would fall into that category though - and while I see lots of people on the left openly disagreeing with him, I can't see anyone calling out for his death).

 

Charlie on the other hand... https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-actually-232000071.html

 

Turning Point USA CEO and co-founder Charlie Kirk once said former U.S. President Joe Biden is a “corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

 

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As an example, Obama said this after Kirk died, followed by comments from the current administration:

 

Former President Barack Obama has condemned what he called the “horrific” killing of Charlie Kirk, but says he was in broad disagreement with the founder of Turning Point USA — and Americans should be free to criticize his political views.

 

“I didn’t know Charlie Kirk. I was generally aware of some of his ideas. I think those ideas were wrong, but that doesn’t negate the fact that what happened was a tragedy and that I mourn for him and his family,” Obama said at the Jefferson Educational Society in Erie.

 

“We can also, at the same time, say that I disagree with the idea that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake,” he continued. “I can say that I disagree with the suggestion that my wife or Justice Jackson does not have adequate brain processing power. I can say that I disagree that Martin Luther King was awful.”

 

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In the aftermath of Kirk’s death, Trump and other Republicans close to Kirk blamed the “radical left” for the shooting. Some Republicans, including Vice President JD Vance and Attorney General Pam Bondi, suggested Americans should be punished for making inflammatory comments about Kirk’s death. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has initiated a suspension process for service members viewed as making negative comments about Kirk.

 

From: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/17/obama-kirk-shooting-00570397

 

Going full circle, here's what Biden said after Kirk was shot:

 

 

Please read all those responses (that's just one example there) and tell me which one you think is more likely to "bring the temperature down".

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  #3418091 23-Sep-2025 20:19
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US Comedian Stephen Colbert:

[American company] "ABC was being flooded with complaints about taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air, but not all those complaints went to the right place.

Down under, the Australian Broadcasting Company, which also goes by the initials ABC, was being barraged by misdirected complaints about the Kimmel suspension.

Come on, folks. Leave them alone.

Don't attack Australian ABC.

I mean, they never cancelled their popular late night host, 'Horrifying Giant Spider'."


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