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  #3168326 5-Dec-2023 13:43
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Who knew Don Brashes old stuff from decades past would be divisive?
It's not like we have had this derail things before.

 

Government's 100-day plan starts with 'laser focus' on cost of living, Luxon says
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/503904/watch-government-s-100-day-plan-starts-with-laser-focus-on-cost-of-living-luxon-says

"" Finance Minister Nicola Willis
She pointed to legislation set to be introduced to the House next week to return the Reserve Bank to a single mandate, removing the requirement to consider effects on employment levels.

 

"History tells us that the best way to deliver strong, consistent growth in employment is by first delivering low and stable inflation.
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So you remove supporting employment to support employment?

I'm not sure the Reserve Bank did much on employment specifically and global pandemic was entirely different thing.

 

Problem is classical method to damp inflation is to tighten bank reserves, reduce lending that leads to higher interest rates.
Companies pull back due to lack of financing and its cost.
Employment market tightens as well theoretically reducing wage demands.
Compounded by consumers(employees) cutting back on consuming as they see their income is unstable and borrowing cost high.
So if you want to 'Go Hard' ?  

 

Much of this predates global open markets, so if much of the world is in inflationary cycle can you isolate yourself?
If the most skilled can, just go somewhere else to get that wage rise?
Your imports of skills also can just see us as 'Sydney for beginners' and move on too?

 

 

 

 

Ive read in these threads, a lot, that inflation in NZ was caused by the past Labour government. Its primarily mainly local, apparently




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  #3168327 5-Dec-2023 13:56
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tdgeek:

 

Ive read in these threads, a lot, that inflation in NZ was caused by the past Labour government. Its primarily mainly local, apparently

 

 

 

 

Some inflation was caused by the money thrown around in COVID support. But the alternative to that was no COVID support, in which case you might have less inflation but you also would have had loads of businesses failing and many thousands losing their jobs because business dried up during lockdowns etc. Or you could have just let COVID rip without having any lockdowns in which case thousands of people would be dead instead, thousands of others would have taken on Long COVID as the infection caused permanent organ damage, and lots of businesses would fail and people lost their jobs because it turns out people aren't keen on walking into a plague zone even if there's no law that says they can't.

 

Other inflation was caused because international manufacturing and shipping was all thrown out of whack when countries - especially China - went into lockdown and the factories were shut and the ships & planes were told to stay home. Still more was caused partly by Saudi deliberately restricting output in order to keep oil prices high, and when Russia invaded Ukraine that didn't help either because of Russian sanctions restricting their ability to sell oil and gas.

 

Moving to the present day, inflation was coming down - the latest figures were released the Monday after the election, praise be to Christ Luxon for his leadership - but NAFT policies want to increase immigration which will be inflationary since the immigrants need housing and stuff to put in their houses and lots of economists also say that their tax cuts will be inflationary.





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  #3168336 5-Dec-2023 14:18
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Is that even more migration than the current all-time record highs we have pre-dating this government?




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  #3168342 5-Dec-2023 14:20
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GV27:

 

As far as 'tax cuts being inflationary' goes, let me know when someone can explain why the government taking money and vapourising it for no real measurable outcome (other than locking in a higher baseline for future spending because more spending = good, apparently) is any more inflationary than letting people spend their own money themselves.

 

 

 

 

Well I guess we're about to see how spending cuts can improve the measurable outcomes, so there's that.





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  #3168358 5-Dec-2023 14:30
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SaltyNZ:

 

 

 

 

 

Well I guess we're about to see how spending cuts can improve the measurable outcomes, so there's that.

 

 

I thought that was the big thing, but havent seen much banter on that so far. Just some divisive stuff


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  #3168364 5-Dec-2023 14:39
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SaltyNZ:

 

 

 

Some inflation was caused by the money thrown around in COVID support. But the alternative to that was no COVID support, in which case you might have less inflation but you also would have had loads of businesses failing and many thousands losing their jobs because business dried up during lockdowns etc. Or you could have just let COVID rip without having any lockdowns in which case thousands of people would be dead instead, thousands of others would have taken on Long COVID as the infection caused permanent organ damage, and lots of businesses would fail and people lost their jobs because it turns out people aren't keen on walking into a plague zone even if there's no law that says they can't.

 

Other inflation was caused because international manufacturing and shipping was all thrown out of whack when countries - especially China - went into lockdown and the factories were shut and the ships & planes were told to stay home. Still more was caused partly by Saudi deliberately restricting output in order to keep oil prices high, and when Russia invaded Ukraine that didn't help either because of Russian sanctions restricting their ability to sell oil and gas.

 

Moving to the present day, inflation was coming down - the latest figures were released the Monday after the election, praise be to Christ Luxon for his leadership - but NAFT policies want to increase immigration which will be inflationary since the immigrants need housing and stuff to put in their houses and lots of economists also say that their tax cuts will be inflationary.

 

 

Yeah, IMO inflation has the same causes globally. Covid caused all manner of funding support, supply constraints, it affects everyone. Fuel costs thanks to Putin, everything has a fuel component

 

To balance inflation supply needs to equal demand


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  #3168378 5-Dec-2023 15:15
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SaltyNZ:

 

GV27:

 

As far as 'tax cuts being inflationary' goes, let me know when someone can explain why the government taking money and vapourising it for no real measurable outcome (other than locking in a higher baseline for future spending because more spending = good, apparently) is any more inflationary than letting people spend their own money themselves.

 

 

Well I guess we're about to see how spending cuts can improve the measurable outcomes, so there's that.

 

 

I accidentally deleted my post when I went to fix a spelling mistake so I'm not braining too good at the moment. 

 

But as far as 'measurable outcomes' go, it will be interested to see what we start seeing measured as opposed to being ignored because you can't make a dent in it.

 

Admittedly we haven't heard too much of this either, but it would be good to know soon what National thinks our health benchmarks like specialist referrals and ED wait times should be. 


 
 
 

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  #3168430 5-Dec-2023 15:22
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GV27:

 

I accidentally deleted my post when I went to fix a spelling mistake 

 

 

 

 

You gotta own it!

 

Spelling mistake? Nope, that's just how we spell the word now. Fight me. 😁





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  #3168439 5-Dec-2023 15:58
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GV27:

 

I accidentally deleted my post when I went to fix a spelling mistake so I'm not braining too good at the moment. 

 

But as far as 'measurable outcomes' go, it will be interested to see what we start seeing measured as opposed to being ignored because you can't make a dent in it.

 

Admittedly we haven't heard too much of this either, but it would be good to know soon what National thinks our health benchmarks like specialist referrals and ED wait times should be. 

 

 

Outcomes not benchmarks


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  #3168537 5-Dec-2023 18:37
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tdgeek:

 

Outcomes not benchmarks

 

 

Arguably you can't have one without the other. What gets measured gets done etc. 


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  #3168541 5-Dec-2023 19:04
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GV27:

 

 

 

Arguably you can't have one without the other. What gets measured gets done etc. 

 

 

Are you serious? KPI's do matter, but are of no consequence if the outcomes do not occur. I'd like to see a company where a KPI = a result


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  #3168543 5-Dec-2023 19:08
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Surprised to see his government is barely a week old and already there's been a protest.

 

Have any other governments had this happen here, ever?


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  #3168546 5-Dec-2023 19:27
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Surprised to see his government is barely a week old and already there's been a protest.

 

Have any other governments had this happen here, ever?

 

 

Aside being partisan (and I am) I have voted for all parties or none in the past. This is the most right Government in a long long long time. Old and white

 

This NZFirst/ACT/National coalition was supposed to go after inflation, cost of living crisis, health, education, ram rapids, crime, infrastructure that Labour caused as from 2017. Where is it? And no Im not looking for results after 7 days unlike one idiot here in 2017 who calculated 100,000 Kiwibuild houses to the previous 18 hours, where are they. Why is the rhetoric and the news all about removing Te Reo from Government departments, cutting back the Treaty of Waitangi? These are our culture. They offer a financial cost for no benefit, and a cultural loss, and divisiveness. I assumed that based on the campaign, I was expecting the NZ First/ACT/ National coalition to go hard on spending cuts to attack NZ inflation etc. But its about removing Te Reo from Govt departments, cutting back the Treaty if Waitangi, using health risk smoking to retain a revenue stream, and lets back off World Health Organisation as we apparently know better. I would prefer the same old white men stance from John Key and his mates, at least they had a wide range of talent and ran a conservative Government. Sit on your hands, spend as little as you can, crow about the surpluses. There is a time or place for that, no issue. But this lot is not incompetent, they just have no clue. Get rid of the talk and walk the walk. We were promised to fix inflation, housing, the economy, health, education, infrastructure so lets hear about that


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  #3168552 5-Dec-2023 19:45
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Im surprised that Quickymarts recent post hasn't had much feedback

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/12/fair-pay-agreements-leaked-cabinet-paper-reveals-workplace-relations-minister-brooke-van-velden-at-odds-with-official-advice.html

 

So official advice over the unfair (ironic) effect on some demographics is ignored. Seemingly for the greater good if you are or are close to alt-right. If its what some politicians feel is best for NZ, no issue if you disagree, as at least they want to do best for Godzone. But if its all about me (them), that is not a Government. One week in. Leopards Faces.

 

 


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  #3168553 5-Dec-2023 19:46
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quickymart:

 

Surprised to see his government is barely a week old and already there's been a protest.

 

Have any other governments had this happen here, ever?

 

 

The issue for Chris L is its not fair we are one week in. But the policy isnt. 


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