Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3483737 24-Apr-2026 14:26

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And yet if they were, it would be "I can't vote for the Greens, they're a single issue party, and I care about a lot of other things too". I don't say 'Honestly, if ACT were just a socially liberal focused party, maybe I could stomach voting for them. Their economic policies are way too right for me."

You can just say you won't vote for the Greens. I am not offended, and if I was, it wouldn't matter anyway.

I mean ... I have pretty much said I wouldn't vote for the Greens (with their current policies and some of the people). I have voted for a single-issue party before (it did turn out to be a wasted vote). Another year, I made my party vote choice based on a single issue.

You've also just accurately described my view of ACT as well. I'd probably vote Labour before either ACT or Greens at the moment. I don't agree with Labour on several topics things, but I know they won't completely stuff it up.

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#3483738 24-Apr-2026 14:28

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I have voted for the Greens in the past but I don't consider myself a Greens supporter. It is just that the other choices are so awful. I won't vote for them this time because they never go anywhere. I think I will give TOP a try. Not because I think they are any better, but because they might be different and that way I don't have to vote for Labour or National.

A vote for TOP more or less is a vote for labour. Based on their policies, they won't be working with National.

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#3483740 24-Apr-2026 14:39

That depends on how TOP makes it's coalition decisions. I'd guess TOP is very open to working with National. In any case, it does depend on how the chips fall on election night. Remember both Green and Te Pati have previously worked with National. There is no reason to think TOP will refuse an opportunity.

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#3483742 24-Apr-2026 14:43

gzt: That depends on how TOP makes it's coalition decisions. I'd guess TOP is very open to working with National. ....

The thought of a potential four party coalition (either left or right leaning) nearly ruined what's been a pretty good Friday, then I looked at my watch and saw that it's nearly beer o'clock so all is well again.

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#3483743 24-Apr-2026 14:44

gzt: The Green Party has established a lot of trust in the intervening years.

Not this term. I couldn’t trust them to organise a booze up in a brewery. It’s been a steady stream of incompetence.

I voted for the Greens in 2020, I won’t this time.

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#3483744 24-Apr-2026 14:49

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gzt: That depends on how TOP makes it's coalition decisions. I'd guess TOP is very open to working with National. ....
The thought of a potential four party coalition (either left or right leaning) nearly ruined what's been a pretty good Friday, then I looked at my watch and saw that it's nearly beer o'clock so all is well again.

Nevertheless, coalition governments have mostly delivered stability in NZ. Arguably the most politically diverse have been the most stable.

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#3483745 24-Apr-2026 14:51

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gzt: The Green Party has established a lot of trust in the intervening years.

Not this term. I couldn’t trust them to organise a booze up in a brewery. It’s been a steady stream of incompetence. I voted for the Greens in 2020, I won’t this time.

Although I'm not sure what you're referring to, my point related to the Maori electorates only.

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#3483749 24-Apr-2026 15:12

Trust in their policies / intentions is something I'd say the Greens actually have going for them. I think we can discount the actions of former members, the Greens have been very upfront in their views on direction for NZ. Whether or not NZ can afford their policies is hopefully going to be debated coming up to the election.

As I've said before, it would be nice to see a debate of ideas, not pointing the finger at which party has the most rogue MPs in it (and none of them are squeaky clean).

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#3483760 24-Apr-2026 16:06

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Not this term. I couldn’t trust them to organise a booze up in a brewery. It’s been a steady stream of incompetence. I voted for the Greens in 2020, I won’t this time.

Although I'm not sure what you're referring to, my point related to the Maori electorates only.

Gharaman, Tana, Doyle, the James Shaw sacking debacle, cannabis referendum etc etc.

They are not a competent parliamentary party.

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#3483761 24-Apr-2026 16:08

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As I've said before, it would be nice to see a debate of ideas, not pointing the finger at which party has the most rogue MPs in it (and none of them are squeaky clean).

At this point I find policy interesting but competence is the price of admission. If you are useless at getting things done I'm entirely disinterested.

This was Labours problem in the last government. Lots of policy, no execution.

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#3483771 24-Apr-2026 16:33

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Not this term. I couldn’t trust them to organise a booze up in a brewery. It’s been a steady stream of incompetence. I voted for the Greens in 2020, I won’t this time.

Although I'm not sure what you're referring to, my point related to the Maori electorates only.

Gharaman, Tana, Doyle, the James Shaw sacking debacle, cannabis referendum etc etc.

They are not a competent parliamentary party.

Not going to try to argue those things are good, but if that's your criteria for 'not a competent parliamentary party' then none of them are. 'Changing the brightline so I won't pay tax' Luxon, 'Bedlegs' Uffindell, 'Do you know who I am' Gilmore, 'F'ing Loser' Bayley, 'Dead baby identity theft' Garrett, 'Actual Convicted Rapist' Jago*, 'Agriculture spokesperson writing to MPI to tell them to stop prosecuting her son' Kuriger, 'F'ing useless' Maureen Pugh, 'Mixtapes' Lee, 'Hotel porn on the taxpayer credit card/failing to diarise meetings' Jones, 'NO I didn't get any donations from Owen Glenn' Peters.

And that's without getting into the obvious but currently without a provable-in-a-court paper trail corruption over tobacco, mining and fishing from NZF.

EDIT: oh, and I almost forgot Jones this week calling Indians 'a butter chicken tsunami' and also saying that Willis must be grumpy because she's lost weight. JFC in any other employment situation he would have been fired so fast the windows would have shattered from the shockwave.

*OK, yes, he wasn't an MP, just the party president.

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#3483779 24-Apr-2026 17:02

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Not going to try to argue those things are good, but if that's your criteria for 'not a competent parliamentary party' then none of them are. 'Changing the brightline so I won't pay tax' Luxon, 'Bedlegs' Uffindell, 'Do you know who I am' Gilmore, 'F'ing Loser' Bayley, 'Dead baby identity theft' Garrett, 'Actual Convicted Rapist' Jago*, 'Agriculture spokesperson writing to MPI to tell them to stop prosecuting her son' Kuriger, 'F'ing useless' Maureen Pugh, 'Mixtapes' Lee, 'Hotel porn on the taxpayer credit card/failing to diarise meetings' Jones, 'NO I didn't get any donations from Owen Glenn' Peters.

And that's without getting into the obvious but currently without a provable-in-a-court paper trail corruption over tobacco, mining and fishing from NZF.

EDIT: oh, and I almost forgot Jones this week calling Indians 'a butter chicken tsunami' and also saying that Willis must be grumpy because she's lost weight. JFC in any other employment situation he would have been fired so fast the windows would have shattered from the shockwave.

*OK, yes, he wasn't an MP, just the party president.

The whataboutism is fun but if you are trying to position yourself as better than what is there now you need to be able to credibly argue you are better than the incumbent.

The greens have failed this term and the polls back it up.

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#3483780 24-Apr-2026 17:14

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The whataboutism is fun but if you are trying to position yourself as better than what is there now you need to be able to credibly argue you are better than the incumbent.

The greens have failed this term and the polls back it up.

You said that the Green Party was not a competent party because of various things, but give every other party a free pass for things that are the same or in some cases far worse. You say 'whataboutistm', I say 'clear double standards'. And I'm not even saying you're wrong about some of your examples.

This time round we've worked hard to vet candidates better (no more Tanas) and to support them better so they don't break under constant threats of rape, death or other violence (Ghahraman, Doyle). But ultimately everyone is human, and perfection is unattainable.

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#3483784 24-Apr-2026 17:23

At this point a rename to "NZ Parliament and Elections" might be appropriate. Topics for each leader have always had disadvantages.

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#3483786 24-Apr-2026 17:27

SaltyNZ:

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The whataboutism is fun but if you are trying to position yourself as better than what is there now you need to be able to credibly argue you are better than the incumbent.

The greens have failed this term and the polls back it up.

You said that the Green Party was not a competent party because of various things, but give every other party a free pass for things that are the same or in some cases far worse. You say 'whataboutistm', I say 'clear double standards'. And I'm not even saying you're wrong about some of your examples.

This time round we've worked hard to vet candidates better (no more Tanas) and to support them better so they don't break under constant threats of rape, death or other violence (Ghahraman, Doyle). But ultimately everyone is human, and perfection is unattainable.

Call it what you like. I haven't given anyone a pass for anything, I've said that the Greens are not a credible alternative based on their performance.

It's not up to the electorate to give a political party a chance, it's up to the party to show they are credible and can get things done. You like to talk about evidence based policy, what is the evidence that the Greens are ready to be part of a competent government?

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