Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3487294 4-May-2026 11:59

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The bigger question is why should New Zealand be a martyr and take our rubbish and keep other countries.

Yes, that's what I mean! Maybe just not explaining very well. I don't have any particular sympathy for the criminals. (Except for some limited cases where the person in question has some sort of mental health issue their whole life e.g. FAS).

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#3487317 4-May-2026 13:12

Handle9: If someone wants the protection of a citizen they should become a citizen. If they have the opportunity and choose not to bother that’s really their problem. It’s not the job of the state to save people from their own stupidity

Your comment implies there is a path to citizenship for a person who has lived in NZ from 2 years old until they are old enough to comprehend non-citizen status and resolve it. Imo that is not the case and it continues to be a waste of some great people who are basically good kiwis.

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#3487325 4-May-2026 13:31

gzt:
Handle9: If someone wants the protection of a citizen they should become a citizen. If they have the opportunity and choose not to bother that’s really their problem. It’s not the job of the state to save people from their own stupidity

Your comment implies there is a path to citizenship for a person who has lived in NZ from 2 years old until they are old enough to comprehend non-citizen status and resolve it. Imo that is not the case and it continues to be a waste of some great people who are basically good kiwis.

Do you have an example?

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#3487326 4-May-2026 13:36

SaltyNZ:

Handle9:

The bigger question is why should New Zealand be a martyr and take our rubbish and keep other countries.

Yes, that's what I mean! Maybe just not explaining very well. I don't have any particular sympathy for the criminals. (Except for some limited cases where the person in question has some sort of mental health issue their whole life e.g. FAS).

For better or worse that’s how citizenship works all over the world.

In this case it’s not a racial attack by ACT.

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#3487328 4-May-2026 13:42

I know its old news but a quote / line I spotted from The Guardian about TACO trump and how to encourage fossil fuel use -

'In Vietnam, plans for a massive new liquefied natural gas terminal have been shelved, and proposals submitted for a renewables project instead.'

Vietnam can apparently think further ahead than National.

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#3487330 4-May-2026 13:44

ACTs latest immigration wheeze seems to be, we've done bugger all thats useful in the last 3ish years, but hey we're tough on crime, and chucking them out is cheap as well.

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#3487984 6-May-2026 09:13

Immigration minister Erica Stanford on David Seymour's "knee jerk policy at the election" trying to eat National's lunch:

"[Stanford] said the $6-a-day fee ignored the moves already afoot to "carefully, proportionately and reasonably collect additional levies from migrants for some of the costs that they directly impose in like the health or education sector", and the fee would put off the best and brightest from coming to New Zealand. "They'll just go somewhere else, but those employers who desperately need migrants like in our rural sector for example, they will be the ones who end up paying that fee." She said it amounted to an $11,000 upfront payment at the application stage, plus another $11,000 for their partner."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/594148/seymour-bemoans-critics-reducing-immigration-debate-to-soap-opera-politics

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#3488043 6-May-2026 12:43

gzt: trying to eat National's lunch:

ACT and NZF are both trying to eat National's lunch.

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#3488045 6-May-2026 12:45

SaltyNZ:

gzt: trying to eat National's lunch:

ACT and NZF are both eating National's lunch.

FTFY

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#3488087 6-May-2026 14:58

I'm sure Nationals lunch is far better than ACT's school lunches. :-)
All that wagging the dog must build up a voracious hunger.

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#3488282 6-May-2026 21:20

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-05-2026/the-national-partys-five-point-comms-plan-to-seize-back-the-agenda

The five points, in summary, are:

1) Stand up to the coalition partners
2) Blame the media
3) Do less media, better
4) Keep Luxon above the fray
5) Don’t moan to the media

Is this going to work/make a difference, or is it a case of too little, too late?

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#3488287 6-May-2026 21:23

quickymart:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-05-2026/the-national-partys-five-point-comms-plan-to-seize-back-the-agenda

The five points, in summary, are:

1) Stand up to the coalition partners
2) Blame the media
3) Do less media, better
4) Keep Luxon above the fray
5) Don’t moan to the media

Is this going to work/make a difference, or is it a case of too little, too late?

The bar is pretty low. It's not the opposition is compelling in any way.

It's incredibly unusual for a 1st term government to lose in New Zealand.

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#3488541 7-May-2026 20:28

Handle9:

The bar is pretty low. It's not the opposition is compelling in any way.

It's incredibly unusual for a 1st term government to lose in New Zealand.

I mean it almost looked like it was going to go down that way 2020.

For about two months anyway.

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#3488755 8-May-2026 15:05

English literature grad knows better than OECD.

However, Willis wasn’t keen on what she called “quite a radical tax reform”.

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“Let's get real, that is not what the OECD are proposing. They're not proposing a narrow capital gains tax that will actually end up taxing people who invest in commercial property via their KiwiSaver fund. That's not what they're proposing. And so, I don't think the Opposition do grapple with these issues in seriousness,” she said.

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#3488765 8-May-2026 15:45

SaltyNZ:

English literature grad knows better than OECD.

However, Willis wasn’t keen on what she called “quite a radical tax reform”.

“Let's get real, that is not what the OECD are proposing. They're not proposing a narrow capital gains tax that will actually end up taxing people who invest in commercial property via their KiwiSaver fund. That's not what they're proposing. And so, I don't think the Opposition do grapple with these issues in seriousness,” she said.

I trust similar jibes about arts grads and lawyers being wholly unqualified to comment on other topics will be in order?

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