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  #3494024 20-May-2026 13:39
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MikeAqua:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

To anyone who thinks this is a good thing; glad you're sorted and only care about yourself. Having been through uncertainty myself because of this government at a previous job then being made redundant the main thing people really don't understand is the toll it takes on peoples mental health and well-being. I'm really glad I had an incredibly supportive wife and friends around me during that time.

 

 

I've been through three restructures in my life.  Including one where I was made redundant.  It absolutely sucks.  The feeling of rejection is awful. Even when your job isn't at risk but your colleagues are, it's a bad feeling.  Even when you quietly believe the organisation genuinely doesn't need that role. There is no good restructure, fast (suspense = pain), lawful and effective are as close to good as it gets.   I'm fortunate to have always been able to find other employment during the restructure process. 

 

I have skin in this particular game, as I have immediate family and friends who work in govt.  But ... govt isn't a welfare scheme.  Govt doesn't exist to employ people for the sake of employing people.  That's the road to economic ruin.

 

The purpose of a job is to create value.  Value will mean different things in different roles, but the basic exchange is consistent - employee creates value for employer, who pays them.  If a position is no longer creating value for the employer, then it has to go.  That applies to govt as much as it does to business.

 

From 2017 - 2023 core govt service headcount increased from ~45k to ~65k.  That's about a 44% increase, in difficult economic circumstances.  The PSA and media seem to gloss over that.

 

From 2023 to present head declined to ~63k.  That's a 3% decrease, during even worse economic times.  Willis is now talking about reducing headcount from 1.2% of population to 1%.  That's a decrease of 10.5k.  If my maths are mathsering in a maths-like manner ... that would leave us at ~52k, which is still 15% up on the 2017 headcount.

 

There is a valid argument that a major restructure close to an election, which either party could win, isn't appropriate.  The counter argument is that the current government should carry on as if they're going to win until parliament rises.  I've always been taught to plan for success but have contingencies for when the eff-up fairy comes to visit.  There are no contingencies for elected officials who lose an election, of course

 

 

This was well stated to happen last election and I believe it was in the coalition agreement. I assume it has taken this long to get full agreement between parties.

 

Their plan is to do it over a few years and it will not happen at once and will require some serious work before it can happen.

 

Aussies have 16 Government Departments and we have how many?? So only 16 back office admin areas etc. We have close to the largest number of single Depts in the OECD. 




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  #3494027 20-May-2026 13:57
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MikeAqua:. There is no good restructure, fast (suspense = pain), lawful and effective are as close to good as it gets. 

 

This is the part that is probably the most concerning. Under this plan the public service will be going through more or less permamnent restructure for years. From experience (my employer employs roughly the same number of people as the NZ government) it takes a couple of years for big organisations to digest a restructure. 

 

It'll be a mess for the first 1-2 years after a restructure as everyone looks at each other and tries to figure out who does what. Going through a big restructure and big head count reductions will make it worse. There's no real way around that but it will be very challenging for the people concerned and the people they serve.


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  #3494079 20-May-2026 16:02
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If National loses at the next election, would this restructure be cancelled/rolled back, or would it carry on as currently planned?




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  #3494089 20-May-2026 16:24
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quickymart:

 

If National loses at the next election, would this restructure be cancelled/rolled back, or would it carry on as currently planned?

 

 

Who would know? Labour has approximately zero policy released. 


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  #3494101 20-May-2026 17:18
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Laser-focused on the cost of living. No matter what your opinion on gender, spending time on this is an insult to people struggling to put food on the table.





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  #3494104 20-May-2026 17:33
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This was an interesting video, how companies who cut staff because AI was going to do it for them... did not work out well...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EvIY_2TWN8


 
 
 

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  #3494164 20-May-2026 18:32
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SaltyNZ:

 

Laser-focused on the cost of living. No matter what your opinion on gender, spending time on this is an insult to people struggling to put food on the table.

 

Think of the amount of money being wasted by this that could be better spent supporting tobacco companies and landlords or ferries. 





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  #3494170 20-May-2026 19:25
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SaltyNZ:

 

Laser-focused on the cost of living. No matter what your opinion on gender, spending time on this is an insult to people struggling to put food on the table.

 

 

Winston Peters is an opportunistic self-important turd hopping onto a populist bandwaggon created by someone else!

 

 





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  #3494176 20-May-2026 20:00
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Reckon, eh. Of all the issues plaguing the world right now, this is their top-shelf, grade priority? Spare me. 🙄


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  #3494250 20-May-2026 21:31
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Rikkitic:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

Laser-focused on the cost of living. No matter what your opinion on gender, spending time on this is an insult to people struggling to put food on the table.

 

 

Winston Peters is an opportunistic self-important turd hopping onto a populist bandwaggon created by someone else!

 

 

 

 

 

 

And it's very weird how much time he spends thinking about all the genitals of everyone he passes by in the street, or at work, or on the airplane to Wellington, at restaurants and pubs, rugby games, down at the track... so many genitals, and Winston needs them all to be exactly as he imagines they should be. Winston Peters, Privates Investigator.

 

There's a place for weird old men like that, and it isn't parliament.





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  #3494304 20-May-2026 22:29
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I think if NZ First doesn't make the cut at this election (and they may still get in - I don't know), this will probably be the last one for Winston. Shane Jones is probably the rightful heir in his eyes, but he's no Winston, that's for sure.


 
 
 
 

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  #3494306 20-May-2026 22:33
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quickymart:

 

I think if NZ First doesn't make the cut at this election (and they may still get in - I don't know), this will probably be the last one for Winston. Shane Jones is probably the rightful heir in his eyes, but he's no Winston, that's for sure.

 

 

Wut? NZ First is on track to get 15% or more. 


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  #3494308 20-May-2026 22:47
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That's why I said they may get in - and if that 15% holds, it's likely they will.

 

Either way, this could well be Winston's last election before he decides to retire.


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  #3494315 21-May-2026 07:03
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quickymart:

 

That's why I said they may get in - and if that 15% holds, it's likely they will.

 

Either way, this could well be Winston's last election before he decides to retire.

 

 

By get in or make the cut do you mean they get into parliament or into government? It’s quite unclear. 


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  #3494325 21-May-2026 08:05
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Handle9:

 

quickymart:

 

That's why I said they may get in - and if that 15% holds, it's likely they will.

 

Either way, this could well be Winston's last election before he decides to retire.

 

 

By get in or make the cut do you mean they get into parliament or into government? It’s quite unclear. 

 

 

If NZF get more than 10% in the next election they will be in government regardless. Neither side will have enough without them.





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