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  #3499480 2-Jun-2026 13:13
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MikeAqua:

 

Coastal shipping .... I read a couple of articles on those ships.  They're a good idea.  Presumably if your battery pack catches on fire you can just push it overboard.  But .... 700 TEU is small.  Most second tier container ships are 2,000 TEU.  The big ones are over 4,000 TEU.  Some short run stuff is certainly possible, like Tauranga to Auckland.  But rail would actually be better for that as you note, and there is a rail line.  I wonder if our forebears were smart enough to leave room for cabling in the Kaimai tunnel?  

 

 

 

 

They may well be bigger than that now. The article I was fact-checking myself upon dates to 2023. A lot will have changed in three years, especially in China. But they are not in any way confined to the Chinese market. And it's also worth noting that the original Panamax ships were only 5000 TEU so a 4000 TEU electric coastal ship isn't far off the maximum you used to be able to sail through the Panama Canal.





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  #3499483 2-Jun-2026 13:26
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MikeAqua:

 

Heavy electric vehicles in NZ the market or in real-world use?  It's been a little under two years since I had to deal with freight, but none of the operators I worked with saw a future in long haul electric.

 

 

I don't have a technical background so can't comment on the calculations, but as a matter of principle, things are usually impossible until they are not. I remember the British Astronomer Royal dismissing the possibility of space travel because the calculations demonstrated that no rocket could carry enough fuel to achieve orbit. That was true until some genius came up with the idea of multi-stage rockets!

 

That story is probably apocryphal but it demonstrates a worthwhile principle. Why could coastal ships not combine wind and electricity? I saw a clever idea once that used windmills to drive propellers so ships could sail into the wind. Of course all this has to be paid for and requires infrastructure, but so did the integration of petrol power. Don't be too quick to say something is impractical. Maybe it just requires a different perspective.

 

 

 

I wasn't trying to argue long haul electric trucking is impossible.  It isn't.  You could do it now with existing technology.  But it would be very time and payload inefficient (and therefore expensive).  

 

Were you thinking of Flettner/rotor ship? Has bunch of rotating cylinder that catch the wind.  I've seen video of working models at ~1m scale.

 

There's reason people went away from wind for moving ships.  I think we may see a partial return to reduce fuel use - kites, sails etc.  But long term ... small scale nuclear would be a more logical option. Lloyds recently did a paper on this. But you'd need to have the correct safety systems and culture in place.





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  #3499517 2-Jun-2026 14:55
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MikeAqua:

 

There's reason people went away from wind for moving ships.  I think we may see a partial return to reduce fuel use - kites, sails etc.  But long term ... small scale nuclear would be a more logical option. Lloyds recently did a paper on this. But you'd need to have the correct safety systems and culture in place.

 

 

 

 

Agreed. Intercontinental ships are not going full electric any time soon, and probably not ever. But hybrid drives that use wind as a boost when the conditions are right seem like a no-brainer in the long term.





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  #3499543 2-Jun-2026 15:57
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Flettner/rotor ship? Has bunch of rotating cylinder that catch the wind. I've seen video of working models at ~1m scale.

Rotor sail assistance has been around for a long time now. This particular installation is now eight years old:



https://www.marinelog.com/news/video-first-anemoi-rotor-sails-fitted-on-bulker-pass-8-year-milestone/

There are currently several companies scaling up for mass production with joint ventures in China. This one with the large shipping line COSCO:

https://splash247.com/norsepower-and-cosco-team-up-to-mass-produce-rotor-sails/

Personally I would not go as far as saying it's proven technology but, it's pretty close in practice. Several operators have demonstrated reliability over years and appear to be scaling up.

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  #3499544 2-Jun-2026 16:01
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Rotorsail visitor to Northport last year:



https://northport.co.nz/node/24432

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  #3499617 2-Jun-2026 21:44
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/597004/new-zealand-s-definitions-of-woman-and-man-bill-and-how-the-public-can-give-submissions

 

The Government: there's a cost-of-living crisis happening right now, but hey, let's focus on ridiculous drivel like this instead 🙄

 

I wonder how many public submissions will actually be supportive?


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  #3499668 2-Jun-2026 21:56
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quickymart:

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/597004/new-zealand-s-definitions-of-woman-and-man-bill-and-how-the-public-can-give-submissions

 

The Government: there's a cost-of-living crisis happening right now, but hey, let's focus on ridiculous drivel like this instead 🙄

 

I wonder how many public submissions will actually be supportive?

 

 

Are you always 2 weeks behind @saltynz or is it just this week ;) 

 

 

 

 


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  #3499677 2-Jun-2026 23:02
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I think I might be, been a busy week for me and I'm just catching up on all the news. As you were.


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  #3499758 3-Jun-2026 09:18
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gzt: Rotor sail assistance has been around for a long time now. This particular installation is now eight years old:

Personally I would not go as far as saying it's proven technology but, it's pretty close in practice. Several operators have demonstrated reliability over years and appear to be scaling up.

 

The concept has been around for >100 years as supplemental propulsion.  I haven't seen it as sole means of propulsion on a freighter.  It definitely looks tidier, safer and more durable than a kite or sail.

 

The model I referred too was propelled only by the rotors.  IIRC it was on the ProjectAir YT channel.  They also did an aircraft that used the same concept, but the rotors where in the wing.  That one had electric propulsion as well.





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  #3499868 3-Jun-2026 12:38
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Guess who is causing this?

 





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  #3499870 3-Jun-2026 12:40
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freitasm:

 

Guess who is causing this?

 

 

 

 

 

Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it Labour?





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  #3499894 3-Jun-2026 13:40
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SaltyNZ:

 

Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it Labour?

 

 

If its bad, its always Labour.





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  #3499916 3-Jun-2026 15:08
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And yet, one could say that Luxon's solution to the problem is...wanting.


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  #3500158 4-Jun-2026 10:34
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NZ in the gun for additional USA tariff - on slave labour:

TVNZ: New Zealand was named alongside 54 other countries, including Australia, the UK, China, Russia, Singapore, and Japan, that had “failed to impose and effectively enforce a prohibition" on goods produced with forced labour. A statement from the United States Trade Representative proposed imposing a 12.5% tariff on the countries, claiming their acts, policies, and practices had been “unreasonable and burdens or restricts US commerce”. “We will no longer tolerate this disparity. Some trading partners have taken initial steps to prevent the importation of forced labour goods, including through USMCA and commitments in Agreements on Reciprocal Trade,” Ambassador Jamieson Greer said.

It's a amazing how all kinds of great characters suddenly discover the importance of labour rights and supply chain reporting. NZ does have some legislation in progress already. It may or may not do what Trump wants.

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  #3500168 4-Jun-2026 11:04
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So essentially, do exactly what we say or else we'll increase your tariff?

 

If we do what they say, create legislation to ensure the supply chain is free from slave / child labor (which is undoubtedly a good thing) and prices on consumer goods then goes up causing increased inflation, is that a good or bad result for the Govt that enables the legislation? On one hand, it helps the exporters (which in turn is good for the country), but it has the potential to hurt consumers through higher pricing.

 

 Wouldn't want their job for all the ethically traded tea in china.....


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