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  #3506352 26-Jun-2026 15:15
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Handle9: Having industry and the universities better aligned makes a great deal of sense if you want to have any wealth available to redistribute. It happens to some extent with some universities. There’s an opportunity for that to be better.

This is the Luxon topic so would you care to summarise the National Party's actual policy in that area as you understand it?

I think most people are inherently suspicious when political leaders like to use the word "brutal".

It strongly implies something very unsubtle.



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  #3506359 26-Jun-2026 15:45
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Handle9: Having industry and the universities better aligned makes a great deal of sense if you want to have any wealth available to redistribute. It happens to some extent with some universities. There’s an opportunity for that to be better.

This is the Luxon topic so would you care to summarise the National Party's actual policy in that area as you understand it?

I think most people are inherently suspicious when political leaders like to use the word "brutal".

It strongly implies something very unsubtle.

 

Why don’t you summarise it instead?


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  #3506371 26-Jun-2026 16:20
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Handle9:

 

Nah. You were going for a zinger and failed.

 

 

 

 

Well, I was pitching it at a National-leaning audience. 'Not getting it' is the standard operating outlook.





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  #3506420 26-Jun-2026 23:00
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SaltyNZ:

 

Handle9:

 

Nah. You were going for a zinger and failed.

 

 

 

 

Well, I was pitching it at a National-leaning audience. 'Not getting it' is the standard operating outlook.

 

 

Is that like the Greens not getting the difference between income and expenditure?


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  #3506516 27-Jun-2026 10:21
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Handle9:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

Handle9:

 

Nah. You were going for a zinger and failed.

 

 

 

 

Well, I was pitching it at a National-leaning audience. 'Not getting it' is the standard operating outlook.

 

 

Is that like the Greens not getting the difference between income and expenditure?

 

 

 

 

Speaking of failed zingers...





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  #3506959 29-Jun-2026 08:20
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gzt: 

"Wong said the party would be happy to support a minority government from the cross-benches"

Wong has made numerous statements about stability and predictability and so on. It's pretty clear to me that means supporting the lead party. My view is everything Wong has said points in that direction and nothing excludes NZ First in the case NZ First has more seats than Opportunity in that situation.

 

I glad we can agree what we're agruing about 😁

 

A minority govt, that needs cross bench support, logically would not include NZF. 

 

Based on current polling ... 

 

NAT + ACT + TOP <50% (not a govt)

 

NAT+ ACT + NZF > 50% (don't need TOP)

 

LAB + NZF +GRN >50% (don't need TOP)

 

LAB + GRN + TOP + TPM ?> 50%? (don't need NZF)

 

I accept that Wong says those things: work with anyone, stability, either party etc.  I simply don't believe her.  Because: -

 

1) She also positions her party as a moderate alternative to NZF, which literally means displacing them

 

2) The mathematical reality is different and as an intelligent and informed person, she must know that

 

So again:  I don't believe her, and IMO right leaning voters, should not vote for TOP.





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  #3506970 29-Jun-2026 10:17
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Your scenarios are based on current polling. The reality is the Opportunity vote is growing. A right leaning teal voter who tends to oppose NZ First and favors environmental and climate friendly policy and pro-treaty policy has good reason to vote Opportunity.

There are several former National Party cabinet ministers from the Shipley and Key years who fit that description almost exactly. National today has more or less abandoned progress in environment and climate. ACT have more or less adopted an anti-treaty position and rely on "go woke go broke" messaging for a radical fringe. In those areas NZ First has been in part outmanoeuvred on the right flank by the ACT party.

There is every reason for a right leaning teal voter to choose Opportunity at this election.

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