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#2113444 24-Oct-2018 20:07

So there's no more regional fuel taxes while Arden is PM. So Auckland had to pay its own way, but the Govt won't make anyone else stump up.

This would be funny if Wellington wasn't throwing around the idea of light rail despite Auckland desperately needing it. Only one region is being asked to make an extra contribution, however.

This smacks of a sudden, poorly thought-out knee-jerk reaction to Bridges getting cut-through on petrol prices.

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#2113612 25-Oct-2018 09:23

GV27:

So there's no more regional fuel taxes while Arden is PM. So Auckland had to pay its own way, but the Govt won't make anyone else stump up.

This would be funny if Wellington wasn't throwing around the idea of light rail despite Auckland desperately needing it. Only one region is being asked to make an extra contribution, however.

This smacks of a sudden, poorly thought-out knee-jerk reaction to Bridges getting cut-through on petrol prices.

It wasnt just Wellington wanting a new tax....

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#2113628 25-Oct-2018 09:54

GV27:

So there's no more regional fuel taxes while Arden is PM. So Auckland had to pay its own way, but the Govt won't make anyone else stump up.

This would be funny if Wellington wasn't throwing around the idea of light rail despite Auckland desperately needing it. Only one region is being asked to make an extra contribution, however.

This smacks of a sudden, poorly thought-out knee-jerk reaction to Bridges getting cut-through on petrol prices.

Snookered.

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#2113654 25-Oct-2018 10:28

I'm perplexed by Ardern's stance on this. IIRC, Climate Change is her generation's "Nuclear Moment".

She's made the "Captain's Call" to end Offshore Oil & Gas exploration.

She's increased Excise Duty on petrol.

She's introduced new legislation to enable Regional Fuel Taxes for local governments.

This is all well aligned and coherent messaging. (albeit a message that I disagree with to an extent)

But now it seems that high petrol prices are a problem? As if people suddenly needing to be mindful of their fuel consumption is a bad thing? A promise of "no new regional taxes" is announced as if the legislation is a bad thing?

Has the PM had a change of mind? Or is she capitulating to political pressure?

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#2113721 25-Oct-2018 11:29

Most of the high petrol price is result of the world oil price subject to factors outside of NZ control, and the low value of the NZ dollar, subject to influence by the RBNZ, theoretically independent from direct government influence.

For Ardern - she's been "embarrassed by circumstance" that she should have probably seen coming.

I'd to see Bridges STFU - he's a whiner, sounds like a whiner, and is trying to stir up a hornet's nest about a done deal that he probably wouldn't undo anyway - or if he did he'd substitute it with another tax or levy. Aucklanders want better roads.

He would probably undo the oil exploration ban - but that's not the cause of the current high petrol prices.

The NZ dollar needs to stay low. We have a problem with export commodity prices, the low dollar helps buffer exporters.

Put up with it (high petrol prices). If you have a car of similar size and capability to what you were driving in 2008 (but 10 years newer), it's probably costing you less in fuel in inflation adjusted terms than it did then.

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#2113738 25-Oct-2018 11:53

People on the poverty line are not driving 2008 cars.

Low exchange rates decimate living standards. It's great for exporters but let's not pretend there isn't a downside.

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#2113749 25-Oct-2018 12:07

GV27: People on the poverty line are not driving 2008 cars.

Low exchange rates decimate living standards. It's great for exporters but let's not pretend there isn't a downside.

People on the poverty line don't tend to vote for the National Party - so Bridges awful repetitive slow-drawl painful to the ears whining isn't directed at them.

The exchange rate is what it is. If you want to see what "downside" to the legacy left by previous governments could really be - then imagine the impact of any RB move to strengthen the NZD by returning interest rates to "normal" levels faster than signalled. Start with a housing market collapse and mass farm bankruptcies, then ask yourself what comes next.

As distressing as it may be to political shills, under the circumstances the economy seems to be behaving as if it's being managed reasonably competently.

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#2113772 25-Oct-2018 12:30

Fred99:

GV27: People on the poverty line are not driving 2008 cars.

Low exchange rates decimate living standards. It's great for exporters but let's not pretend there isn't a downside.

People on the poverty line don't tend to vote for the National Party - so Bridges awful repetitive slow-drawl painful to the ears whining isn't directed at them.

The exchange rate is what it is. If you want to see what "downside" to the legacy left by previous governments could really be - then imagine the impact of any RB move to strengthen the NZD by returning interest rates to "normal" levels faster than signalled. Start with a housing market collapse and mass farm bankruptcies, then ask yourself what comes next.

As distressing as it may be to political shills, under the circumstances the economy seems to be behaving as if it's being managed reasonably competently.

From what I have seen to date with this government is that people on the poverty line are currently much worse off. The real value of benefits is lower than it has ever been and costs/prices for almost everything has gone up. Families who claim "working for families" are better off, but people without children have fallen way behind.

This governments policies have increased most prices that affect the poor much more than anyone else. A lot of their so called election promises are still to see the light of day eg doctors visits. In fact my doctor has increased prices. Rental properties are much more expensive and rental availability is on the rapid decline due to current and promised policy

The effect to the economy of the large scale salary/wage increases like nurses and whats to come (teachers and other medical professionals) will drive inflation.

I do hope this Government sorts itself out quickly with all these "so called" reviews and enacts the policies people voted for.

Almost all would have been off with the last Governments legislated but not enacted changes as they would have been enacted by now. Perhaps Labour should have left them in place until their reviews etc were completed.

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#2113825 25-Oct-2018 13:00

Bluntj:

Families who claim "working for families" are better off, but people without children have fallen way behind.

I think that's one of several fundamental flaws with WFF.

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#2113829 25-Oct-2018 13:05

Fred99:

People on the poverty line don't tend to vote for the National Party - so Bridges awful repetitive slow-drawl painful to the ears whining isn't directed at them.

Perhaps you should focus on criticising SB's argument, rather than his tone voice.

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#2113839 25-Oct-2018 13:24

MikeAqua:

Fred99:

People on the poverty line don't tend to vote for the National Party - so Bridges awful repetitive slow-drawl painful to the ears whining isn't directed at them.

Perhaps you should focus on criticising SB's argument, rather than his tone voice.

I wish I could be so objective as to ignore his tone of voice. Sounds dreadful to me. Deliberately slow, condescending, repetitive, and almost always negative.

Compare John Key - who certainly wasn't some elocution wizard. He was a positive person - and it came across as such - that he actually believed in what he was saying.

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#2113916 25-Oct-2018 16:22

6FIEND:
I'm perplexed by Ardern's stance on this. IIRC, Climate Change is her generation's "Nuclear Moment".

Nuclear Free Moment? Unless you are referring to a massive brain explosion of course ;-)

I think it was in reference to the Lange government's nuclear ship ban and subsequent nuclear free legislation.
Kind of apt really, because it hurt us economically, alienated is from our closest allies, and in the end reduced the international nuclear threat by exactly zero.

Maybe she should have called it our "Anti-Apartheid Moment" since that actually achieved something.

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#2113919 25-Oct-2018 16:33

Dingbatt:
6FIEND:

I'm perplexed by Ardern's stance on this. IIRC, Climate Change is her generation's "Nuclear Moment".

Nuclear Free Moment? Unless you are referring to a massive brain explosion of course ;-)

I think it was in reference to the Lange government's nuclear ship ban and subsequent nuclear free legislation.
Kind of apt really, because it hurt us economically, alienated is from our closest allies, and in the end reduced the international nuclear threat by exactly zero.

Maybe she should have called it our "Anti-Apartheid Moment" since that actually achieved something.

Can you quantify the economic cost to New Zealand the Nuclear Free legislation caused. I don't believe we were alienated from Australia and they remain our closest ally.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2113955 25-Oct-2018 16:59

MikeB4:
Dingbatt:
6FIEND:

I'm perplexed by Ardern's stance on this. IIRC, Climate Change is her generation's "Nuclear Moment".

Nuclear Free Moment? Unless you are referring to a massive brain explosion of course ;-)

I think it was in reference to the Lange government's nuclear ship ban and subsequent nuclear free legislation.
Kind of apt really, because it hurt us economically, alienated is from our closest allies, and in the end reduced the international nuclear threat by exactly zero.

Maybe she should have called it our "Anti-Apartheid Moment" since that actually achieved something.

Can you quantify the economic cost to New Zealand the Nuclear Free legislation caused. I don't believe we were alienated from Australia and they remain our closest ally.

You obviously weren't in the armed forces in the 80's.

You mean losing favoured nation status with the US, UK etc, didn't affect our economy? Why don't you bring out your parallel universe to prove it didn't affect our economy?

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#2113979 25-Oct-2018 17:27

Dingbatt:

You obviously weren't in the armed forces in the 80's.

You mean losing favoured nation status with the US, UK etc, didn't affect our economy? Why don't you bring out your parallel universe to prove it didn't affect our economy?

My question and comment was civil, your response was not as usual. Goodbye

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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