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#2440874 18-Mar-2020 20:20

Dingbatt:

So when is the Goff Tax (Auckland Regional Fuel Tax) going to be removed? Surely drastic fiscal times mean this should be gone forthwith?

Muhammed Bin Saud removed it for them. Did you notice?

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#2440960 19-Mar-2020 01:21

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Handle9: $7.9 billion dollars of direct and indirect government assistance to keep those people working and a 0.75% interest rate cut is nothing?

The RBNZ cut the OCR, not the government. Also, if you're on a fixed mortgage, you have to break to get a reduced rates, and that costs money. Also, fixed rates haven't really moved at all. Something like 80% of retail mortgage lending is on a fixed-term basis so...

The assistance is for businesses to keep people working, not much use if you end up getting laid off anyway and still have a mortgage to pay.

The Reserve Bank and the government are working in concert. They have to and they are aligned about what needs to happen (which is very encouraging).

Banks are going to be very forgiving over this period - they can't afford not to be. If they take a hard line they will make the recession much worse and ultimately they need everyone to pay their mortgages, even if the payments are late.

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#2441002 19-Mar-2020 08:34

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Dingbatt:

So when is the Goff Tax (Auckland Regional Fuel Tax) going to be removed? Surely drastic fiscal times mean this should be gone forthwith?

Muhammed Bin Saud removed it for them. Did you notice?

I certainly noticed the drop in the pump price now that oil is $US20/bbl. In Auckland, pretty much half the price per litre is tax. I also noticed a lot of hand wringing about the affect on our poorest citizens that the inevitable recession will have. At least Twyford has said petrol taxes aren’t going up at the moment.

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#2441566 19-Mar-2020 18:33

After yet another ridiculous question by a One News reporter to the PM tonight.

”Prime Minister, I see you flew to Rotorua on an Air Force aircraft. Why didn’t you travel commercially?”

Maybe because she is a busy woman at the moment, you idiot.

Possibly it’s time to allow the Diplomatic Protection Squad to be able to Taser reporters who waste the PM’s time. /joking (a bit)

Note: I wasn’t sure whether to post this in the virus thread, the little things that annoy me, stupid Herald and Stuff headlines, or this one.

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#2443462 22-Mar-2020 01:50

Hooton (who is a peculiar fish) made a very concerning statement in his column today.

Some in National, including many in its increasingly powerful evangelical wing in Parliament, believe Covid-19 has been overblown, either because of God's promise to Noah or because they think it will turn out just to be another Sars or Y2K. Trying to appease this faction makes Bridges sound incoherent.

If this is the case the national party is going in a horrible direction.

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#2443515 22-Mar-2020 09:32

Handle9:

If this is the case the national party is going in a horrible direction.

A lot of their selections at the moment seem to be promoting old-school conservatives over Kaye/Key type liberals.

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#2444227 22-Mar-2020 23:47

GV27:

Handle9:

If this is the case the national party is going in a horrible direction.

A lot of their selections at the moment seem to be promoting old-school conservatives over Kaye/Key type liberals.

I wouldn't call these old-school conservatives. IMO generally old school conservatives care about the economy and social order not religion.

This seems to be more US style evangelicals.

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#2444548 23-Mar-2020 14:36

National cancelled campaigning.

Parliament will not reconvene now - MPs asked not to travel to Wellington.

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#2445211 24-Mar-2020 09:14

Our system of government may have its shortcomings, but look at the logjam in the US at the moment that is delaying their reaction. Consensus politics here works when it really matters.

The coulda, woulda, shoulda analysis will come later, but for now our representatives have done the best thing for all of us.

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#2445220 24-Mar-2020 09:20

Americans are so screwed. Trumpers will be dying and still claim it's a hoax.

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#2445603 24-Mar-2020 17:09

A little off-topic, but how good was the goverment's UFB initiative. Fibre to the house for so many people now to facilitate working from home. I expect it could (would?) have been a lot more cumbersome on congested DSL circuits.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#2445614 24-Mar-2020 17:25

freitasm:

Americans are so screwed. Trumpers will be dying and still claim it's a hoax.

Probably, but this particular screw up is in the House, not the executive. Good old partisan politics standing in the way of saving people’s lives and livelihoods.

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#2445621 24-Mar-2020 17:38

Dingbatt:

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Americans are so screwed. Trumpers will be dying and still claim it's a hoax.

Probably, but this particular screw up is in the House, not the executive. Good old partisan politics standing in the way of saving people’s lives and livelihoods.

It's not just the Republicans either - both sides are playing games. Their system is screwed with ill will.

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#2445630 24-Mar-2020 17:50

Dingbatt:

freitasm:

Americans are so screwed. Trumpers will be dying and still claim it's a hoax.

Probably, but this particular screw up is in the House, not the executive. Good old partisan politics standing in the way of saving people’s lives and livelihoods.

I don't think you are following - the house problem is because Republicans wanted a help line for businesses, in secret for six months with nothing for John Doe on the street.

But what I am referring about here is the terrible performance by Trump who initially said the virus was a Democrats' Hoax, then ignored scientific and medical advice and even started talking about some medicines - so much so that one man has died in Arizona this week by taking said medicine and the wife's in ICU - and she said "I saw Trump on TV saying this is a good medicine and we of course had to have it"

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#2445794 24-Mar-2020 20:42

This epitomizes FoxNews and shameless America attitudes about wealth.

Guardian: Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy – Texas official

Lieutenant governor Dan Patrick tells Fox News: ‘Do we have to shut down the entire country for this? I think we can get back to work’

As Donald Trump pushed to re-open the US economy in weeks, rather than months, the lieutenant governor of Texas went on Fox News to argue that he would rather die than see public health measures damage the US economy, and that he believed “lots of grandparents” across the country would agree with him.

“My message: let’s get back to work, let’s get back to living, let’s be smart about it, and those of us who are 70-plus, we’ll take care of ourselves,” Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a 69-year-old Republican, told Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Monday night.

“Don’t sacrifice the country,” Patrick said. “Don’t do that.”

Patrick said he feared that public health restrictions to prevent coronavirus could end American life as he knows it, and that he is willing to risk death to protect the economy for his grandchildren.

“You know, Tucker, no one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’” Patrick said. “And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in.”

“That doesn’t make me noble or brave or anything like that,” he added. “I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me.”

...Patrick, a Texas Republican, praised the president’s focus on the economy on Monday and said that it had “lifted” his heart.

“I don’t want the whole country to be sacrificed,” Patrick said. “I’ve talked to hundreds of people … and everyone says pretty much the same thing: We can’t lose our whole country. We’re having an economic collapse.”

“We’re going to be in a total collapse, recession, depression, collapse in our society if this goes on for another several months,” Patrick said. “As the president said, the mortality rate is so low. Do we have to shut down the entire country for this? I think we can get back to work.”

Patrick said that, as someone who turns 70 next week, he was in the high-risk group, but that he was willing to give up his life for his six grandchildren.

“Look, I’m going to do everything I can do to live,” Patrick said. “But if you said, are you willing to take a chance … If I get sick, I’ll go and try to get better, but if I don’t, I don’t.”

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