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#268386 16-Mar-2020 21:29
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Thought this may go to custard, as people get polarized to who's right or wrong with different parties.

 

I mainly support Labour but have voted National when Labour seems to get to many things wrong in my view.

 

Was considering National if Labour screws up this Virus and it gets out of hand, but not after reading this:

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-19-simon-bridges-commends-government-for-doing-something-significant/ar-BB11eb0Q?li=BBqdg4K

 

 

 

The bit in the article that has me going what the hell? is this bit

 

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Bridges is questioning the Government's decision not to include Australia in the list of exemptions. 

 

"I'd like a sense of understanding how they went through the process of deciding those places and then yet not Australia," Bridges told Magic Talk."

 

 

 

I see the Pacific Islands a lot safer then Australia, yet from this he seems to think Australia should be business as normal.

 

Agree with him on questions on self isolation, and I currently have no opinion on what should be done to help business out money wise so have no personal comment on him questioning that.

 

It looks like the government may be hardening up on self isolation, it would be easier to enforce no foreign tourists. It doesn't matter what they do the Economy that relies on Tourists is going to take a hit, it's just how bad do they want the local economy to get.

 

If people can move around the country without fear, can do Tourism of own country.

 

My current views, I'm really disappointed that Bridges questioning why Australia is not on the exemption list.


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  #2439620 16-Mar-2020 21:47
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Like the Chinese trips perhaps some other "contribution"? /joke




 

 

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  #2439666 17-Mar-2020 06:36
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That's pretty poor on his part. Reflects his desire to suck up to Scomo over and above what's right for NZ. 

 

Pretty obvious by now that Australia has a big problem with Covid19. They are absolutely the last place we should be reinstating free movement with. 

 

He would have a point for Kiwis transiting through Aus to get to NZ but that's not the point he's making. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2439805 17-Mar-2020 10:21
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All I can say is I am very grateful that Jacinda Ardern is our leader at this difficult time, and not Simon Bridges. Hopefully that will remain the case.

 

 

 

 





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  #2439831 17-Mar-2020 10:43
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Since Bridges is not privy to all the information (I assume) then he has every right to ask questions. Depending how things progress, Trans-Tasman restrictions may be the first to be eased but both countries would need to have the same policies for the rest of the world. But to single that out from the subject article is picking fly dirt out of the pepper.
Bridge’s struggle is to remain relevant at the moment. He has to be seen to have NZer’s best interests at heart while holding the government to account. He has no power to do anything and (like the rest of us) is along for the ride.

 

I expect he was ‘approached for comment’ by msn and prior to that, I thought he had done a reasonable job of keeping his head down and saying little.

 

Ultimately the election will be decided entirely by whether the coalition government turn the pig’s ear into a silk purse or a discarded animal part.





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  #2439926 17-Mar-2020 12:52
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In respect to Australia, the following is an interesting insight into COVID-19 in Oz:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-data-reveals-how-covid-19-is-spreading-in-australia/12060704

 

The key statistic in this case is the 'Source of Infection' graph.  With 'Unknown' at 2.72% and 'No data' at 37.5% there is huge uncertainty over the source of infections and this alone justifies treating arrivals from Oz the same way as the rest of the world.

 

Exempting Australian visitors will not yield any significant benefit to us but will increase risk.  Even if Australia reciprocates and allows Kiwis in, the sports competitions could only resume in empty stadiums so not much benefit there.  In respect of tourism who would choose to travel to another country given that no travel insurance will cover travellers being infected with COVID-19?

 

So unless there is anything that specifically mitigates COVID-19 risks between the two countries versus the rest of the world, the current restrictions should remain.





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  #2439998 17-Mar-2020 14:27
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Is this the correct place to talk about the Stimulus Plan? 


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  #2440016 17-Mar-2020 14:49
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IMHO the stimulus package is another topic.  This is a travel-ban topic.  The stimulus package is an economy-related topic.





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  #2440062 17-Mar-2020 16:08
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Dingbatt:

Since Bridges is not privy to all the information (I assume) then he has every right to ask questions. . But to single that out from the subject article is picking fly dirt out of the pepper.
Bridge’s struggle is to remain relevant at the moment. He has to be seen to have NZer’s best interests at heart while holding the government to account. He has no power to do anything and (like the rest of us) is along for the ride.



I did mention the other things like self isolation , so didn’t pick fly dirt out of pepper.
I agreed with other questions but surely there is enough info in public domain to see there is large community spread in Australia so business as usual not a good idea.

I be surprised if no community spread here and wished they’d done things earlier. Hopefully they can contact trace to get it down.

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  #2440085 17-Mar-2020 16:44
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GV27:

Is this the correct place to talk about the Stimulus Plan? 



As good as any - Bridges has been noticeably clueless over the stimulus package.

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  #2440107 17-Mar-2020 16:53
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National is really picking up on the mood of the room.

https://twitter.com/SimeonBrownMP/status/1239723250537517056?s=19

What a dick.

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  #2440111 17-Mar-2020 16:59
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Handle9:
GV27:

 

Is this the correct place to talk about the Stimulus Plan? 

 



As good as any - Bridges has been noticeably clueless over the stimulus package.

 

 

 

He did himself no favours by mentioning the increase in benefits and winter energy payments. They were coming in the May budget anyway and announcing them now just reassures people they aren’t going to have the money they need re-prioritised because of this package. But perhaps more clues than some internet pundits, particularly with respect to the limitations placed on assistance to medium sized businesses.

 

IMO the government announcement is encouraging.





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  #2440113 17-Mar-2020 17:01
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Handle9:
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Is this the correct place to talk about the Stimulus Plan? 

 



As good as any - Bridges has been noticeably clueless over the stimulus package.

 

Has he? I'm a finance professional and I'm still trying to figure out how much admin work is going to go into accessing it. I'm also not sure there are many businesses who have the time to go through that process or the manpower available to work through it. Process is key here and I have a lot of questions.

 

I wouldn't want to speculate on the social spending attached, but I feel like that could have been done at any point and this was a chance to come up with something either broader or aimed at people in work who may soon be out of it (e.g. redundancy) or people who may be about to face some serious mortgage stress through no fault of their own.


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  #2440118 17-Mar-2020 17:06
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There's the message and then there's the messaging. There are parts of the stimulus package that can be criticized. It's also three times the size of the Australian package measured against GDP so saying it's not going hard and then beneficiary bashing is just stupid.

Going on the attack in the house was stupid. National are on a relentlessly negative path rather than being sensible and constructive.

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  #2440124 17-Mar-2020 17:10
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Handle9: Going on the attack in the house was stupid. National are on a relentlessly negative path rather than being sensible and constructive.

 

What is he meant to do? Lavish unequivocal praise on the Government? 


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  #2440136 17-Mar-2020 17:23
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GV27:

 

Handle9: Going on the attack in the house was stupid. National are on a relentlessly negative path rather than being sensible and constructive.

 

What is he meant to do? Lavish unequivocal praise on the Government? 

 

 

Not criticising for the sake of it, perhaps.





 

 

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