Taliban move to form an 'open, inclusive Islamic government'

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#2761289 17-Aug-2021 10:08

Rikkitic:

Aren't you a little quick to forget how the Taliban behaved the last time they were in charge? There are cultural norms and there are civilised norms. Some things are wrong regardless of the lens you view them through. I just hope this new generation is more moderate than the last one. There is nothing wrong with a conservative Islamic state if that is what people accept. There is a lot wrong with another ISIS-style murder and beheading regime.

No, I am not quick to forget, but we have no evidence that this is how they will run things this time around, but regardless, if they do, is the US supposed to stay in Afghanistan forever?

If the US hadn't been there for the past 20 years (whether you agree with the decision or not) then those things would have been happening the past 20 years.

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#2761292 17-Aug-2021 10:15

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Presumably accurate reports that they have already ordered women home from all workplaces.

Yeah, I wonder if that will last :)

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#2761348 17-Aug-2021 10:52

Taliban have cordoned off the airport to block off Afghans trying to flee.

The airport is back in operation, but that report (on Al Jazeera) doesn't seem to offer much hope for evacuation of Afghani nationals at risk.

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#2761349 17-Aug-2021 10:54

networkn:

Fred99:

Presumably accurate reports that they have already ordered women home from all workplaces.

Yeah, I wonder if that will last :)

Presumably the intention is that it will last "forever".

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#2761350 17-Aug-2021 10:57

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Presumably the intention is that it will last "forever".

I doubt that. I guess we will see.

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#2761378 17-Aug-2021 12:16

networkn:

Fred99:

Presumably the intention is that it will last "forever".

I doubt that. I guess we will see.

There's nothing to doubt - of course that's their intention.

How their version of Islamic law will be implemented (and how long that may last) might be in doubt, but that they intend to implement it is 100%.

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#2761382 17-Aug-2021 12:27

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There's nothing to doubt - of course that's their intention.

How their version of Islamic law will be implemented (and how long that may last) might be in doubt, but that they intend to implement it is 100%.

/me shrugs, it's much less of an issue if it's short-term.

Even Saudi Arabia now allow women to drive.

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#2761385 17-Aug-2021 12:40

networkn:

Fred99:

There's nothing to doubt - of course that's their intention.

How their version of Islamic law will be implemented (and how long that may last) might be in doubt, but that they intend to implement it is 100%.

/me shrugs, it's much less of an issue if it's short-term.

Even Saudi Arabia now allow women to drive.

Afghanistan is not Saudi Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_women_by_the_Taliban

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#2761429 17-Aug-2021 14:14

Chinese State Media Says Afghanistan a Lesson for Taiwan on How U.S. Abandons Allies
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinese-state-media-says-afghanistan-a-lesson-for-taiwan-on-how-us-abandons-allies/ar-AANnUu6

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The Global Times, a tabloid controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, warned Taiwan on Monday it could face the same fate as Afghanistan if it continued relying on the United States as an ally.
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China Afghan border is an odd looking thing if a very a long narrow high pass ( 5000ft ) separating Tajikistan and Pakistan.
A remnant of the silk roads crossed by Marco Polo himself.

Afghanistan shares a tiny 46-mile border with China — here's the intriguing story of how the 2 countries became neighbors
https://www.insider.com/afghanistan-china-tiny-46-mile-border-what-it-is-like-2019-6

Apparently Russians feel safe now in Kabul and not evacuating.

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#2761521 17-Aug-2021 15:40

i know very little about Taiwan's history. I tried, but don't get it. So China wants to play Taliban and take over Taiwan, they've always wanted to do that. Just waiting for the right time.

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#2761524 17-Aug-2021 15:41

ezbee:

Apparently Russians feel safe now in Kabul and not evacuating.

from the start of the saga I've had this feeling that the Taliban are being empowered by an external force ... don't want to name names until/unless it's out there

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#2761819 17-Aug-2021 20:44

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ezbee:

Apparently Russians feel safe now in Kabul and not evacuating.

from the start of the saga I've had this feeling that the Taliban are being empowered by an external force ... don't want to name names until/unless it's out there

That's ridiculous.

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#2761899 18-Aug-2021 07:18

Taliban calls BBC live

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/watch-wild-moment-flustered-bbc-journalist-gets-phone-call-from-taliban-live-on-air/CLMUGOLYKNP3BY4YSQAP7NA5KM/

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#2761975 18-Aug-2021 08:14

So far almost all of the comments and claims made by "official" Taliban leaders, as well as credible reports from the ground, seem to indicate that Taliban 2021 is far removed from Taliban 1996-01.

They claim they want an open press, they want women involved in government, won't be excluded from education. They claim they want minorities represented in government, and they claim that Afghanistan will not be used to launch attacks on any other country. They also claim that there's an amnesty, and have forbidden their soldiers from entering private homes.

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#2762137 18-Aug-2021 08:46

Talk is cheap, however. Let's see if they stand by their words.

By pure coincidence, I'm reading Fear by Bob Woodward at the moment, detailing Trump's time in the White House. This passage rang true when I read it this morning:

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