Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1721405 16-Feb-2017 15:53

MikeB4:

One thing with this soap opera, the Press are going to so pissed if Trump gets impeached but the odds on that happening are very very low.

So will the TV comedy and talk shows..

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#1721545 16-Feb-2017 20:49

old3eyes:

MikeB4:

One thing with this soap opera, the Press are going to so pissed if Trump gets impeached but the odds on that happening are very very low.

So will the TV comedy and talk shows..

Its a bit of a farce. What does that rhyme with? Umm. Pass, that's it...

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#1721651 17-Feb-2017 07:33

New York Times, opinion page, argument between two sets of mental health professionals about Donald Trump.

"Mental Health Professionals Warn About Trump"
To the Editor:

Charles M. Blow (column, nytimes.com, Feb. 9) describes Donald Trump’s constant need “to grind the opposition underfoot.” As mental health professionals, we share Mr. Blow’s concern.

Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer.

Mr. Trump’s speech and actions demonstrate an inability to tolerate views different from his own, leading to rage reactions. His words and behavior suggest a profound inability to empathize. Individuals with these traits distort reality to suit their psychological state, attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists).

In a powerful leader, these attacks are likely to increase, as his personal myth of greatness appears to be confirmed. We believe that the grave emotional instability indicated by Mr. Trump’s speech and actions makes him incapable of serving safely as president.

Lance Dodes

Joseph Schachter

Beverly Hills, Calif.

Dr. Dodes is a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Schachter is a former chairman of the Committee on Research Proposals, International Psychoanalytic Association. The letter was also signed by 33 other psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers.

"An Eminent Psychiatrist Demurs on Trump’s Mental State"

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Fevered media speculation about Donald Trump’s psychological motivations and psychiatric diagnosis has recently encouraged mental health professionals to disregard the usual ethical constraints against diagnosing public figures at a distance. They have sponsored several petitions and a Feb. 14 letter to The New York Times suggesting that Mr. Trump is incapable, on psychiatric grounds, of serving as president.

Most amateur diagnosticians have mislabeled President Trump with the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.

Mr. Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy. It is a stigmatizing insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr. Trump (who is neither).

Bad behavior is rarely a sign of mental illness, and the mentally ill behave badly only rarely. Psychiatric name-calling is a misguided way of countering Mr. Trump’s attack on democracy. He can, and should, be appropriately denounced for his ignorance, incompetence, impulsivity and pursuit of dictatorial powers.

His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological.

ALLEN FRANCES

Coronado, Calif.

The writer, professor emeritus of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University Medical College, was chairman of the task force that wrote the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (D.S.M.-IV).

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#1721655 17-Feb-2017 07:52

Wow. There should be some kind of mental health check before a candidate can be put up by the party?

Meanwhile, Endangered Species Act is endangered...
http://theweek.com/speedreads/680557/republicans-begin-effort-gut-endangered-species-act

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#1721658 17-Feb-2017 08:03

Can I simply just say he's a PRICK.

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#1721676 17-Feb-2017 09:07

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

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#1721679 17-Feb-2017 09:13

I don't see him as mentally impaired. He is who he is, always has been like that. He can get away with that if he is the boss, or he has pull when making deals, but as POTUS he is not the boss of the USA, he is the leader of the governing party, and he is not the boss of the globe, he is a peer in the globe. All of which seems lost on him. The Cream will rise to the top and the lead will sink to the bottom

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#1721684 17-Feb-2017 09:38

I know it's on Stuff so get your salt shakers ready. But this guy is a ******* ****** **** piece of work. Australias' Trump, more like Australias' sewer rat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/89506091/is-this-one-nation-candidate-the-rudest-politician-in-australia

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1721695 17-Feb-2017 10:01

Paul1977:

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

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#1721696 17-Feb-2017 10:03

Paul1977:

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

Yes, but ...

Professor Frances is probably the ultimate authority on diagnostic criteria for psychiatric diseases.

In a sense, he didn't just "write the textbook" - he wrote all of them.

The DSM-IV criteria are used by every psychiatrist on the planet.

An Eminent Psychiatrist Demurs on Trump’s Mental State

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... I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them.

... The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological.

ALLEN FRANCES

The writer, professor emeritus of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University Medical College, was chairman of the task force that wrote the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (D.S.M.-IV).

EDIT: Basically Frances is saying that Trump is bad, not mad.

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#1721699 17-Feb-2017 10:06

As soon as one loud-mouthed bigot gets away with it, all the others crawl out from under their rocks.

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#1721713 17-Feb-2017 10:39

Sideface:

Paul1977:

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

Yes, but ...

Professor Frances is probably the ultimate authority on diagnostic criteria for psychiatric diseases.

In a sense, he didn't just "write the textbook" - he wrote all of them.

The DSM-IV criteria are used by every psychiatrist on the planet.

Yes, but....

He also hasn't meet Trump in person to properly diagnose him, and can only speculate about levels of distress and impairment.

Allen Frances, of all people, should know that he can't make a definitive diagnosis based solely on what he has seen of someones public persona on television.

Those saying Trump is mentally ill have insufficient information to reach their conclusion, likewise Allen Frances has insufficient information to reach his.

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#1721715 17-Feb-2017 10:44

Rikkitic:

Paul1977:

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

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#1721719 17-Feb-2017 10:54

Paul1977:

Rikkitic:

Paul1977:

Isn't Allen Frances doing the same armchair diagnosing that he is so critical of others doing?

No, because he specifically says Trump is not ill, just the world's biggest dickhead.

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

Correct

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1721720 17-Feb-2017 10:57

Paul1977:

The conclusion he comes to is irrelevant. If others shouldn't be making a diagnosis without ever having met and interviewed Trump, then neither should he - regardless of the conclusion he comes to.

I get your point but I think you are wrong. It is unprofessional to conclude that someone is mentally ill on the basis of public statements and actions, but illness can be properly ruled out on the same basis. If Trump is seen not doing something that is necessary to make the diagnosis, then you can safely say he doesn't fit that particular profile. It is like technical fault-finding. Only one thing causes the problem, but many things can be ruled out.

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