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#2526064 20-Jul-2020 15:41

elpenguino:

Rikkitic:

Another National casualty. The mental health aspect is not an issue here, but the sudden departure of another MP is.

Your team doesn't look very 'strong and stable' Ms Collins.

Yet when issues are arising they are being dealt with pretty promptly and decisively. They aren't starting an enquiry, waiting a few months and slipping the accused party out the back door to a state owned asset, announced quietly on the day the PM gives birth etc..

I know who's version of transparent and honest I prefer :)

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#2526066 20-Jul-2020 15:43

DarthKermit:

How many does that make now from National who aren't standing for re-election?

19 I think

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#2526067 20-Jul-2020 15:44

networkn:

elpenguino:

Your team doesn't look very 'strong and stable' Ms Collins.

Yet when issues are arising they are being dealt with pretty promptly and decisively. They aren't starting an enquiry, waiting a few months and slipping the accused party out the back door to a state owned asset, announced quietly on the day the PM gives birth etc..

I know who's version of transparent and honest I prefer :)

Oh please. National are a shambles at the moment and there's to way to spin your way out of that.

3 months, 3 leaders.

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#2526069 20-Jul-2020 15:47

Handle9:

DarthKermit:

How many does that make now from National who aren't standing for re-election?

19 I think

Its like being at an auction really isn't it

" We have 18 from the right, 18, 18, 18 do I hear 19 ?"

"We have 19 from the right, do we have 20, can someone from the right give me 20 "

"19 going once..."

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#2526085 20-Jul-2020 16:05

If only the very much past "best by date" leader and deputy - both with very dubious histories of being honest and both of them exploiting divisive dirty politics as a matter of course - would quit.

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#2526121 20-Jul-2020 17:40

Rikkitic:

Another National casualty. The mental health aspect is not an issue here, but the sudden departure of another MP is. This doesn't make the election comeback task any easier.

You can look at this in two ways: -

A) Getting rid of people is bad because it creates instability.

B) Cutting out the deadwood is good for the tree.

I've grown a lot fruit trees so I go for (B).

What you don't want to do is give deadwood a ministerial portfolio ...

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#2526126 20-Jul-2020 17:59

What you don't want to do is plant trees that grow so much deadwood.

Just to be clear, this is no reference to Andrew Falloon and the circumstances of his departure. I know nothing about him or his performance as an MP. I am speaking only to the issue of National having to fill so many vacancies just before an election.

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#2526127 20-Jul-2020 18:07

MikeAqua:

Rikkitic:

Another National casualty. The mental health aspect is not an issue here, but the sudden departure of another MP is. This doesn't make the election comeback task any easier.

You can look at this in two ways: -

A) Getting rid of people is bad because it creates instability.

B) Cutting out the deadwood is good for the tree.

I've grown a lot fruit trees so I go for (B).

What you don't want to do is give deadwood a ministerial portfolio ...

Given the alleged behaviour of Falloon I'd say that this is more serious than getting rid of deadwood.

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#2526129 20-Jul-2020 18:12

News things keep emerging. I was referring to the mental health aspects. That should not be an issue here. The other matter certainly could be.

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#2526130 20-Jul-2020 18:12

Handle9:

Given the alleged behaviour of Falloon I'd say that this is more serious than getting rid of deadwood.

And given what's been alleged (i.e. sending inappropriate photo to a school-aged girl) is relatively easy to disprove if made up, the fact that he's so promptly resigned tells you all there is to know. And all the mental health excuses are just that. Lots of people are affected by all kinds of things -- very few of them send inappropriate material to school-aged children.

National is being exposed as a party that frankly doesn't vet its people well, is full of morally questionable characters amongst its "leading" lights, and is frankly about as organised and coherent at the moment as a drunken brawl. The rabid government coalition haters who keep trying to spin otherwise might be to only bunch of people more laughable than National ATM.

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#2526132 20-Jul-2020 18:16

Handle9:

Given the alleged behaviour of Falloon I'd say that this is more serious than getting rid of deadwood.

Sending porno images to a schoolgirl - pretty bad.

Using "personal grief" over death of a friend as a reason or excuse or whatever in a resignation letter?

Who the hell do these kind of people think they are?

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#2526152 20-Jul-2020 18:22

MikeAqua:

What you don't want to do is give deadwood a ministerial portfolio ...

Well I hope that's how it works out - the whole lot of them are deadwood - from the top down.

I've got a lot of time for Dame Anne Salmond:

Over the past few months, the Opposition has operated like a Roman circus, crying ‘wolf’ over a fictitious homeless man, trying to trip up the Government by leaking confidential medical information, and throwing one leader after another to the lions.

Now they have appointed Judith Collins, who talks about National ‘crushing’ the government and ‘taking back’ the country, as though New Zealand was their own private possession. As Jim Bolger has warned, pugilistic power-grabbing is about the last thing that most Kiwis want or need at the moment.

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#2526161 20-Jul-2020 18:55

Fred99: Over the past few months, the Opposition has operated like a Roman circus, crying ‘wolf’ over a fictitious homeless man,

Coincidentally that was Wodehouse. The MP also recently demoted as additional fallout from the medical info thing.

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#2526214 20-Jul-2020 20:24

networkn:

Yet when issues are arising they are being dealt with pretty promptly and decisively.

Not entirely. Muller took an age (in politics) to deal with Walker, and Collins didn't exactly come clean right away with this guy, either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12349527

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#2526218 20-Jul-2020 20:50

quickymart:

networkn:

Yet when issues are arising they are being dealt with pretty promptly and decisively.

Not entirely. Muller took an age (in politics) to deal with Walker, and Collins didn't exactly come clean right away with this guy, either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12349527

Walker behaved like a total prat once he was found out. Bringing in a QC to bully your own party isn't the actions of someone with any sort of integrity.

Mullers (and Kaye and Adams) failings dealing with this were fairly manifest (he didn't convince Walker to resign it was Rachel Bird, the National Party’s Southern Regional Chair) but also largely irrelevant now as he is no longer the leader.

https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/07/09/how-walker-was-persuaded-to-resign/

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/a-swift-end-for-walker-prolonged-pain-for-national

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