J Adern, How will she affect the election, and is she a good leader?

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#1866339 14-Sep-2017 16:16

Networkn

So, no significant difference in peoples way of lives under Labour? BTW if you want to see someone "squirm", check out JA today being grilled by the press about the change in tax policy. She started ok, but once the fluff was discarded she was really sweating.

First time I have seen her look uncomfortable but you have to remember she was having questions fired at her from many press reporters. Didn't think she looked as bad as BE when he was responding to all the texts he had, hadn't sent over the Todd Barclay affair. At least SHE DIDN'T LIE.

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#1866340 14-Sep-2017 16:16

allio:

6FIEND:

Thanks @allio

That certainly clears that up for me. (Yes - it seems that I missed your earlier post)

Though the link to the PREFU does introduce some further questions...

The Treasury made some assumptions in producing that forecast - among them were

- NZ Superannuation eligibility age increases to 67

- Health & Education expenses "Held constant"

- NZ Super Fund contributions remain on hold

...all of which would be proven false under a current Labour policy.

But thanks again for linking Labour's revenue and GDP figures back to Treasury's forecasts for me.

No worries.

Fair points and those represent the major differences between National's and Labour's policies.

NZ super isn't due to change until 2040 so doesn't have any impact on the financials this decade, but the other things all mean more spending under Labour. They are planning to pay for them by increased tax revenue, more borrowing, slower debt payback and running smaller surpluses. The numbers are all detailed in their fiscal forecast.

There are genuine differences between the parties' plans, and if you think that paying debt off faster is more important than increasing health and education spending, then fair enough - great reason to vote for National. But this suggestion that Labour's numbers "don't add up" just isn't right.

Actually, it turns out that Treasury have projected the alternative scenario where NZS eligibility is retained at 65 and Super Fund Contributions resume as per Labour's policy.

(bear with me, I'm just starting to scan through the PreFU ;-)

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#1866346 14-Sep-2017 16:24

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11922316

Interesting item clearing up Labours tax policy

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#1866374 14-Sep-2017 16:59

gulfa:

Networkn

So, no significant difference in peoples way of lives under Labour? BTW if you want to see someone "squirm", check out JA today being grilled by the press about the change in tax policy. She started ok, but once the fluff was discarded she was really sweating.

First time I have seen her look uncomfortable but you have to remember she was having questions fired at her from many press reporters. Didn't think she looked as bad as BE when he was responding to all the texts he had, hadn't sent over the Todd Barclay affair. At least SHE DIDN'T LIE.

I would suggest that is a matter of perspective.

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#1866376 14-Sep-2017 17:02

allio:

Honestly? I know I'm biased, but I think it is. The fearmongering and misinformation started with them and it has been relentless. Compare their campaign ads - National's started out poking fun at Labour (the dreadful running ad) and swiftly turned into full-out attack ads. Labour's ads have barely mentioned National.

That full out attack link made me laugh out loud. Who said BE doesn't have a sense of humor? If you disregard truth or not truth, it's a clever and quite funny advert. Let's tax this, it's funny.

Yes, I'd suggest your biased, if you feel that the negativity this election is solely the fault of a single party.

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#1866377 14-Sep-2017 17:02

gulfa:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11922316

Interesting item clearing up Labours tax policy

You and I perhaps have a different definition of 'clearing up'!

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#1866393 14-Sep-2017 17:24

networkn:

If you disregard truth or not truth

That's a pretty big "if".

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#1866396 14-Sep-2017 17:27

allio:

networkn:

If you disregard truth or not truth

That's a pretty big "if".

If you can't see the funny side of that ad, I feel sorry for you.

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#1866401 14-Sep-2017 17:42

networkn:

If you can't see the funny side of that ad, I feel sorry for you.

If you're fine with your government lying because their target is the other "team", then I feel sorry for you.

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#1866410 14-Sep-2017 18:13

Latest TV1 poll: Labour and the Greens can form a government outright. No path to a government for National, even with NZF.

Guess this isn't over just yet.

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#1866411 14-Sep-2017 18:13

The very latest poll now puts Labour and Greens ahead again! What a roller-coaster ride this is turning out to be. Maybe TOP will form the next government.

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#1866412 14-Sep-2017 18:14

allio:

Latest TV1 poll: Labour and the Greens can form a government outright. No path to a government for National, even with NZF.

Guess this isn't over just yet.

Aw, you beat me to it.

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#1866413 14-Sep-2017 18:15

allio:

networkn:

If you can't see the funny side of that ad, I feel sorry for you.

If you're fine with your government lying because their target is the other "team", then I feel sorry for you.

Sorry, clearly my point went right over your head. It's ok. Don't worry.

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#1866414 14-Sep-2017 18:17

networkn:

Sorry, clearly my point went right over your head. It's ok. Don't worry.

I guess it did. If you wouldn't mind taking the time to explain it to me, I'd be very happy to try to see it from your side.

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#1866421 14-Sep-2017 18:37

allio:

networkn:

Sorry, clearly my point went right over your head. It's ok. Don't worry.

I guess it did. If you wouldn't mind taking the time to explain it to me, I'd be very happy to try to see it from your side.

I think we both know that's unlikely to be true :)

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