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  #1664086 5-Nov-2016 01:36
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itxtme:

 

 

 

Mark my words - he will resonate with under 35 year olds, and like said above will 'steal' from both partys, not just the left.  How many who have commented about him own there own home?  How many own more than one home?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing I find a bit odd, is why make it harder by trying to get the 5%, as it is rare that a new party can do this. I am not sure if a new party has done it before. The conservatives were quite close. It is reasonably easy to get the party in on an electorate vote with the right person and electorate. I see having an electorate seat is still quite important, as it can show the party has a stronger leader. But I guess going for the 5% shows that they aren't relying on the support of any other party to get in, and they don't want to compromise policies. I think he is very likely to have got across the 5%, if it wasn't for the whole cat thing, even it  was miscommunicated in the media.  But we will see how it goes. He has a better chance at this election than the last few, because the current parties are near the end of their life, and people see parties that have been in power for too long as arrogant and losing touch with people. It happened in 2008. I think he will steal from Labour more than National, because some of his taxation policies affect the older richer with houses and land, more than the poor and young who don't have that. 




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  #1664095 5-Nov-2016 05:26
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Geektastic:

 

Aside from getting rich courtesy of his son, has he ever done anything of note that is relevant to running a country?

 

 

 

 

Well I have to somewhat grudgingly say: Yes - he has actually. He has a PhD in Economics and IMO is really quite talented in this area. Back in the 1990's he owned and operated a highly-regarded economics consultancy, Infometrics Limited, which provided economic analysis and forecasting to major corporates. He employed several other economists - not just a one man band.

 

At the time I was working in Corporate Banking for one of the big banks which had a contract with Infometrics. For years, once every calendar quarter GM would come in and give us a presentation and analysis of everything economic. He was totally excellent at this and my colleagues and I enjoyed and valued his time immensely - great presentations.

 

Infometrics is still run by GM's earlier business partner, Andrew Garwith, and GM seems to be not involved any longer.

 

There will now probably be a clamour here now saying 'huh - economists don't know anything about running a country' - and maybe that's correct. All I'm saying is @Geektastic asked the question above and the answer is that there's more to this guy than meets the eye these days.

 

I think that after his son's jackpot with TradeMe (in which GM had a shareholding) GM changed and joined the idle nouveau riche and I don't now have the old high regard for him.

 

 





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  #1664104 5-Nov-2016 07:42
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itxtme: If we take the 'cat' issue reasonably his ideas around them were conservation based, but all that is reported is about how he wants to kill everyones cat; which is an absolute sensationalisation of the key point - conservation.

 

Thing is, he doesn't want to kill everyone's cats. He wants stray cats dealt to, which is fair enough.

 

The main thing around family pets was he wanted them kept inside at night (like they do in some, if not all, Australian states) and people to consider not replacing their pet cats when they pass away. The usual media muppetry came into play and sensationalised this out of proportion, then the "stuff said it so it must be true brigade" (which seems to be most people) jumped on the bandwagon and went even further.

 

Really, it's a great illustration of how exceptionally easy it is for the main stream media, even in it's current pathetic state, to shape and influence opinion. 




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  #1664118 5-Nov-2016 08:35
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benokobi: Apart from the cat thing he's no different fron plenty of other partie. And he's wealthy, seems most people who have more money than others is looked down on by people. So that won't help him resonate with the voters.

 

 

 

Maybe... he is at least talking about equality as a real issue... it seems to have slipped out of Labour's sight. We'll have to see if he can formulate realistic policies that will make a differene.

 

He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?

 

 


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  #1664119 5-Nov-2016 08:36
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eracode:

 

 

 

I think that after his son's jackpot with TradeMe (in which GM had a shareholding) GM changed and joined the idle nouveau riche and I don't now have the old high regard for him.

 

 

I don't think he's been "idle".  He's been involved in many charitable ventures, written books etc.  He's gone on motorcycle tours overseas etc.

 

"Nouveau riche" ????  In a literal sense I suppose he is, coming from a relatively humble background and doing well.

 

Nouveau riche in terms of behaving in a tacky way, flaunting "new" wealth by driving flashy expensive cars, acquiring a collection of private castles, jewellery, and an entourage of hangers-on who are only there because of the money?  I don't think so.  Afaik he drives a Toyota Yaris, but I guess he's got some nice motorbikes.

 

 


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  #1664123 5-Nov-2016 08:54
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Gareth is a funny person. In some respects, he could be consider to be on the far left -- this is is wish for a universal basic income. 

 

In others, he could be considered far right, wanting smaller and more efficient government. 

 

I think he will annoy both the left and the right, leaving him with very little support. 


 
 
 

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  #1664135 5-Nov-2016 09:36
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eracode:

 

 

 

I think that after his son's jackpot with TradeMe (in which GM had a shareholding) GM changed and joined the idle nouveau riche and I don't now have the old high regard for him.

 

 

I don't think he's been "idle".  He's been involved in many charitable ventures, written books etc.  He's gone on motorcycle tours overseas etc.

 

"Nouveau riche" ????  In a literal sense I suppose he is, coming from a relatively humble background and doing well.

 

Nouveau riche in terms of behaving in a tacky way, flaunting "new" wealth by driving flashy expensive cars, acquiring a collection of private castles, jewellery, and an entourage of hangers-on who are only there because of the money?  I don't think so.  Afaik he drives a Toyota Yaris, but I guess he's got some nice motorbikes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe not - this from @TimA on page one of this thread

 

 

 

"Speaking of the Devil i just saw him driving past me up Coatesville ways, Blue Bentley Continental Flying Spur, Number plate was GM1."

 

 

 

That's a pretty expensive Toyota Yaris there...! Some $365,000 or so in NZ.






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  #1664136 5-Nov-2016 09:40
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He should probably ditch the 70's pron star moustache if he wants to get on in politics where image counts.....






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  #1664141 5-Nov-2016 10:09
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I think he has the mo' for a specific personal reason.





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  #1664160 5-Nov-2016 11:01
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Geektastic:

 

Fred99:

 

eracode:

 

 

 

I think that after his son's jackpot with TradeMe (in which GM had a shareholding) GM changed and joined the idle nouveau riche and I don't now have the old high regard for him.

 

 

I don't think he's been "idle".  He's been involved in many charitable ventures, written books etc.  He's gone on motorcycle tours overseas etc.

 

"Nouveau riche" ????  In a literal sense I suppose he is, coming from a relatively humble background and doing well.

 

Nouveau riche in terms of behaving in a tacky way, flaunting "new" wealth by driving flashy expensive cars, acquiring a collection of private castles, jewellery, and an entourage of hangers-on who are only there because of the money?  I don't think so.  Afaik he drives a Toyota Yaris, but I guess he's got some nice motorbikes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe not - this from @TimA on page one of this thread

 

"Speaking of the Devil i just saw him driving past me up Coatesville ways, Blue Bentley Continental Flying Spur, Number plate was GM1."

 

That's a pretty expensive Toyota Yaris there...! Some $365,000 or so in NZ.

 

 

 

 

I presume TimA was joking.  More likely to have been Groucho Marx.


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  #1664198 5-Nov-2016 13:02
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frankv:

He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?



Sigh... For a start... John Key donates a sizeable portion of his salary to charity, and the Todd Family have the Todd Foundation http://www.toddfoundation.org.nz/. The main difference is Gareth Morgan likes to blow his own trumpet about what he does.

 
 
 

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Dynamike:
frankv:

 

He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?

 



Sigh... For a start... John Key donates a sizeable portion of his salary to charity, and the Todd Family have the Todd Foundation http://www.toddfoundation.org.nz/. The main difference is Gareth Morgan likes to blow his own trumpet about what he does.

 

 

 

John Key says he donates a sizeable portion of his salary, but there's no evidence he actually does, how much, and who the beneficiary is.  


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  #1664290 5-Nov-2016 16:01
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Fred99:

 

Dynamike:
frankv:

 

He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?

 



Sigh... For a start... John Key donates a sizeable portion of his salary to charity, and the Todd Family have the Todd Foundation http://www.toddfoundation.org.nz/. The main difference is Gareth Morgan likes to blow his own trumpet about what he does.

 

 

 

John Key says he donates a sizeable portion of his salary, but there's no evidence he actually does, how much, and who the beneficiary is.  

 

 

 

 

Does it matter?

 

He works hard for his salary and has always been a very honest person. You do seem to suffer tall poppy syndrome!

 

I suspect GM is only trying to get his name in lights yet again...likening himself to trump was too much for me.


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  #1664296 5-Nov-2016 16:34
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Fred99:

Dynamike:
frankv:


He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?




Sigh... For a start... John Key donates a sizeable portion of his salary to charity, and the Todd Family have the Todd Foundation http://www.toddfoundation.org.nz/. The main difference is Gareth Morgan likes to blow his own trumpet about what he does.


 


John Key says he donates a sizeable portion of his salary, but there's no evidence he actually does, how much, and who the beneficiary is.  



He doesn't have to tell you?

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benokobi:
Fred99:

 

Dynamike:
frankv:

 

 

 

He's wealthy, but he has at least used some of it for *public* good, with his subsidisation of aid in the Pacific, bounty on rats in Wgtn, etc. What's John Key, Bob Jones, Roger Douglas, Colin Craig, the Todd family, etc done in that respect?

 

 

 



Sigh... For a start... John Key donates a sizeable portion of his salary to charity, and the Todd Family have the Todd Foundation http://www.toddfoundation.org.nz/. The main difference is Gareth Morgan likes to blow his own trumpet about what he does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Key says he donates a sizeable portion of his salary, but there's no evidence he actually does, how much, and who the beneficiary is.  

 



He doesn't have to tell you?

 

 

 

No he doesn't.

 

It would seem reasonable that if you're making it known that you're donating to charity and using that for political gain/point scoring, then you should probably disclose proof in one form or another.  Otherwise, better to keep mouth shut, in my opinion of course.

 

Look at Trump - he makes claims about tax, charity etc, he doesn't "have to" disclose either.  Just that while some people may choose to believe Trump, many don't.

 

Perhaps people in NZ choose to believe Key, because he's special in some way?

 

Please now launch personal attack on me for saying such treasonous things.  Tips are to accuse me of being "jealous", pestering me to prove how charitable I am, etc.


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