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#2676806 19-Mar-2021 07:53

Handle9: So? No one claimed it was a purely financial deal.

And I'm not saying it is either. In the context of a government that was hitting its marks in delivering houses and keeping a lid on prices, I suspect few would care too much.

But that isn't the world we live in, nor the government we have.

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#2677180 19-Mar-2021 12:49

GV27:

And I'm not saying it is either. In the context of a government that was hitting its marks in delivering houses and keeping a lid on prices, I suspect few would care too much.

But that isn't the world we live in, nor the government we have.

The number of new homes being completed in Auckland has doubled over the last five years and is continuing to rise

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/109587/number-new-homes-being-completed-auckland-has-doubled-over-last-five-years-and

As for prices, don't forget to also blame Biden or Trump or somebody for this part of the equation:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/commodities-boom-hits-home-11615973404

Prices are surging for the raw materials used to build American homes.

Lumber, one of the biggest costs in home-building after land and labor, has never been more expensive and is more than twice the typical price for this time of year. Crude oil, a starting point for paint, drain pipe, roof shingles and flooring, has shot up more than 80% since October. Copper, which carries water and electricity throughout houses, costs about a third more than it did in the autumn.

As for "Kiwibuild" - it was doomed from the start - a very bad idea, so the result (abject failure) probably isn't a bad thing.

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#2677229 19-Mar-2021 14:31

Fred99:

The number of new homes being completed in Auckland has doubled over the last five years and is continuing to rise

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/109587/number-new-homes-being-completed-auckland-has-doubled-over-last-five-years-and

Quite a bit of this in Auckland will be down to the Unitary Plan (good job 2015/2016 National) and we'll see another big jump in the next four years or so once Labour's recent directive on building heights around rapid transit routes has bedded in.

I believe Kainga Ora can now also consent its own developments which is a recent change too.

There'll be another Unitary Plan showdown at some point - I'm not sure that people will accept the Parnell, Herne Bay and Central Isthmus brand of NIMBYism again while huge swathes of townhouses get added to the fringes with mega-commutes and price tags. It will be another chance for Labour to make some substantive inroads.

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#2678205 22-Mar-2021 09:49

We should see an announcement on housing this week, sounds like it will be angled at curbing demand.

Looking forward to seeing what is proposed. Good to see something happen outside the Budget window now as most announcements will be deferred until May, so for this to happen now shows they are taking it seriously (or at least feeling like the discourse around housing is hurting them).

I think Kiwis will take it any way they can get it tbh.

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#2678230 22-Mar-2021 10:02

It can't be fixed, not in the short term anyway

Housing Stock is short, Kiwis prefer to buy than build

Interest rates are super low, that may rise again post today's Covid world to say 5% that will knock out some buyers, wont make much/any difference though

Kiwisaver. Its hard to save a deposit, Kiwisaver is a huge helping hand with that, so people who can save, have a bigger deposit, those that just cannot save, can get a deposit. Kiwisaver was supposed be a retirement scheme but its really a home ownership scheme, so available homeowner numbers will always be there, far more then before KS came into effect

All of this is a perfect storm, and I cannot see any measures will make any difference. RMA, LVR etc etc etc is just fiddling around the edges, and many measure will increase demand, which is the core problem

Good chance this Govt will be voted out as they didn't eliminate Covid with a quick lockdown and open the economy up. Didnt fix the 20 year old housing affordability crisis

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#2678239 22-Mar-2021 10:10

tdgeek:

Good chance this Govt will be voted out as they didn't eliminate Covid with a quick lockdown and open the economy up. Didnt fix the 20 year old housing affordability crisis

In order to vote this government out, you have to vote another one in. Anything is possible of course, and three years is a long time, but I don't see National waltzing back in for many, many years.

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#2678251 22-Mar-2021 10:24

Rikkitic:

In order to vote this government out, you have to vote another one in. Anything is possible of course, and three years is a long time, but I don't see National waltzing back in for many, many years.

Im not so sure. Both parties have been less then stellar. Labour has failed with Covid going by what I read here, so that's no good. They have failed with housing as that should be fixed now :-) Thats the short term mentality

Whats National got to offer? Housing policies for once that they will have to address as thy have been front and centre in the blame game, so they are a definite option. The issue will be the failure to fix housing, and as National has the answers and there are many people who want to buy a home, why not? Exchange a centre party with another centre party is very doable IMO

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#2678413 22-Mar-2021 13:00

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They have failed with housing as that should be fixed now :-) Thats the short term mentality

It's not the electorates' fault that Labour made extremely unrealistic and cynical campaign promises in 2017 to get elected. That's on them.

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#2678421 22-Mar-2021 13:16

GV27:

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They have failed with housing as that should be fixed now :-) Thats the short term mentality

It's not the electorates' fault that Labour made extremely unrealistic and cynical campaign promises in 2017 to get elected. That's on them.

Extremely and cynical? Ok. You answered a question I didnt ask. "Voters" have a short term mentality here, they voted someone in and no quick fix. Ignore anything else such as others exploits went nowhere too. Covid is the same. Another failure. Thats the short term mentality many Kiwis have, and they winge more than poms. Blame is great too, then hey that doesn't suit us, quiet now. I find it quiet childish tbf

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#2678427 22-Mar-2021 13:30

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Extremely and cynical?

You disagree? Do uou think their campaign promises were an accurate reflection of what they (anyone) could realistically do?

Quick fix? 4 Years isn't a quick anything. What have they actually achieved in 4 years with housing?

ANZ (I think) released a report that NZ is now #1 in the OECD.. For homelessness.

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#2678433 22-Mar-2021 13:38

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You disagree? Do uou think their campaign promises were an accurate reflection of what they (anyone) could realistically do?

Quick fix? 4 Years isn't a quick anything. What have they actually achieved in 4 years with housing?

ANZ (I think) released a report that NZ is now #1 in the OECD.. For homelessness.

I dont recall anyone at anytime saying these promises were cynical etc. Not then anyway,. If anyone hates Labour with a vengeance then yes its cynical

I could also say its cynical that National did nothing, claimed there was no crisis and now has 101 ideas how to fix it. Just as bad as I see it.

Ok Labour has created homelessness, I guess as they seem to have created the housing crisis.

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#2678449 22-Mar-2021 13:53

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I dont recall anyone at anytime saying these promises were cynical etc. Not then anyway,. If anyone hates Labour with a vengeance then yes its cynical

I recall *plenty* of people questioning Labour policies throughout their 2017 campaign. 100K houses and a Billion trees? What percentage of that target did they meet in 4 years? I mean it's pretty simple math to know in my opinion they could never ever have met those targets.

You keep conflating people who think Labour is doing a bad job with these things as only Labour haters. Without Covid, Labour would have had to campaign on it's delivery on the past 3 years, and that wouldn't have been pretty for them I don't think.

Ok Labour has created homelessness, I guess as they seem to have created the housing crisis.

Oh for Gods sakes. I didn't claim Labour created homelessness (nor the current housing situation). But both have got worse under Labour in the last 4 years. If you don't think that's a problem for a party that made homelessness and housing an election issue (that they promised to fix and said they understood the cause of and had an action plan to resolve), then we obviously strongly differ in opinion.

Where is the economic recovery plan? Where is the plan to address tourism (and no I am not solely referring to travel bubbles) ? Minister of Tourism has barely shown his face in 12 months. What's the plan for our pickers and growers?

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#2678472 22-Mar-2021 14:23

Don't for gods sakes me mate. Im not the angry one here, nor do I get snarky and pose one liners all the time. I dont have a fetish with whatever political party I am following, and unlike you I put forward contributions that I feel are worth mentioning for whatever current crisis/topic there is. You never do, never. Its always bag bag bag.

Because its ok to ignore the housing crisis until 2017, perhaps you can enlighten us on the actual things that should have been done with the apparent housing crisis. For a change. Its either emminently fixable or it isn't. How has this crisis got worse? What did they do to make it worse? Are they responsible for global quantitative easing that has made interest rates near zero, and the follow on effect on housing which NONE of that was predicted by economists? I guess so

Homelessness, has it got worse? Why? Did Labour sell off social housing? Higher rents and Covid related unemployment I guess was something they should have fixed.

I have zero issues with criticsm, I'm getting tired of Labour myself, but when its just solely for the sake of bagging, seeking out posts to bag, and when things are ticking over good, this thread went eerrily quite for a good while. Nothing to bag. No one else here hopped on to gloat.

Fill your boots but for gods sake be balanced for a change.

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#2678475 22-Mar-2021 14:37

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Where is the economic recovery plan? Where is the plan to address tourism (and no I am not solely referring to travel bubbles) ? Minister of Tourism has barely shown his face in 12 months. What's the plan for our pickers and growers?

I have no idea how you can set a recovery plan when you have no end date for Covid. You dont know when and if more outbreaks will occur, what handouts will be expected, how can you possibly put that together? Right now, all countries are just dealing with what we have, until there is a light, there is no way to put together a plan as you dont know how the books are looking nor the anticipated income, and you certainly don't know what other or how long Covid costs will occur. As local and overseas vaccines produce results, how travel bubbles are doing, then you can start seeing some ballpark numbers. Until then you are just spending and guessing

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#2678484 22-Mar-2021 14:53

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Don't for gods sakes me mate. Im not the angry one here, nor do I get snarky and pose one liners all the time. I dont have a fetish with whatever political party I am following, and unlike you I put forward contributions that I feel are worth mentioning for whatever current crisis/topic there is. You never do, never. Its always bag bag bag.

LOL. Ironic much!? You don't sound at all snarky or angry. Just repeating overand over you are reasoned and unbiased in your arguments doesn't make it so. Neither does being biased make someone automatically wrong.

Because its ok to ignore the housing crisis until 2017, perhaps you can enlighten us on the actual things that should have been done with the apparent housing crisis. For a change.

I have, on multiple occasions. You have actually agreed with me multiple times. Increase supply, encourage building not buying, lots of things.

What isn't OK, is to do nothing for 4 years, which is essentially what has been done, after promising active and effective change which would resolve the issue. The Government's housing initiatives have been an abject failure. Not all of the things that went wrong with the country in the 9 years National had power, were their doing either, but that's the problem with being in power, the buck stops with you, reasonable or not.

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