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  #3502231 12-Jun-2026 08:42
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roobarb:

 

gzt:
Ge0rge: And it's not as if there is deckloads of space on a submarine in order to pick up extra personnel.

That's a terrible excuse. International law requires assistance for wrecked crew after an engagement.

There are many cases in WW2 where this assistance was provided by submariners.

For example transporting only the severely wounded would have been easily possible.

 

In the film Das Boot there is the scene where the submarine successfully sinks a merchant ship, but the remainder of the convoy doesn't return to pick up the survivors. The German crew are wracked with guilt because they were unable to provide assistance for the drowning crew. The difference being that the German crew had a conscience, whereas Hegseth, good Christian that he is, chose to sink the ship because it was 'more fun'.

 

 

 

 

The real-life reason for the submarine crew leaving like that was the Laconia Incident. German U-boats transporting survivors while surfaced and displaying huge red cross flags were bombed and seriously damaged by the Americans forcing them to dive leaving everyone who hadn't been killed by the bombing to drown.





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  #3502264 12-Jun-2026 10:19
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Markets wobble, Elon Musk fears for his IPO, OpenAi, Anthropic etc looking to their IPOs in a nervous market.
Mango Muscolini is in more trouble as he can't get a vote for more weapons for his undeclared war as well. 
Who knew. 

 

So Trump. 

 

Trump Calls Off Latest Threats To Strike Iran, Cites Breakthrough In Talks To End The War
Trump has said multiple times in recent weeks that the warring parties have been on the cusp of a deal without anything coming to fruition.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iran-us-trade-attacks_n_6a2a6596e4b02d9edc7fc168?kg

 

Trump lies all day every day and the odd 'accidental' truth maybe less frequent than a broken clocks.
Markets respond accordingly and declare that the end of the tunnel is near its buying the dip time.

 

Iran's hard men who were quite down with massacre of their own to cower them into submission.
IRGC and leader who lost most of his family is not going to give Trump a victory of an easy capitulation. 

The neighboring states are now looking at an Iran that sees the power of its missile and drone threat proven.
Ability to reduce trade to an expensive trickle.
Iran's Theocracy and IRGC will be leveraging that for many years to come.


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  #3502316 12-Jun-2026 12:28
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ezbee:

 


Trump has said multiple times in recent weeks that the warring parties have been on the cusp of a deal without anything coming to fruition.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iran-us-trade-attacks_n_6a2a6596e4b02d9edc7fc168?kg

 



 

 

Yeah, 38 times as reported today




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  #3502430 12-Jun-2026 15:20
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In short, Trump is as outdated as his self‑help philosophy master Norman Vincent Peale.

Peale's book The Power of Positive Thinking. was written in 1952, but was heavily read by wealthy, country-club, prep-school, Izod polo-shirt wearing nepo-babies.

The book often slides into magical thinking. It repeatedly implies that mental attitude is not merely a contributor to outcomes but a primary determinant of them.

Trump has repeatedly said that Peale was a major influence on him. Trump grew up attending Peale's church in Manhattan, called him "my pastor," praised him as one of the greatest speakers he had heard, and Peale officiated Trump's first wedding.

It explains Trump's tendency to make bold claims and project certainty even when facts are disputed.

Trump and his sensei Peale largely bypasses evidence. Their arguments rely heavily on a strange snake-oil brew of anecdotes, testimonials, embellished success stories, religious assertions, and personal observations.

It's far removed from controlled research.

Both men have a kind of superficial positivity that avoid rather than confront genuine problems.

How Trump Turned The Power of Positive Thinking Into Delusion: Vanity Fair

Quick summary: many of Donald Trump's public statements and predictions can be traced to the influence of Norman Vincent Peale and his book.

Peale's encouraged an extreme form of optimism in which confidence and positive assertions are treated as more important than contradictory evidence.

Trump has carried this mindset throughout his life, frequently presenting desired outcomes as accomplished facts and projecting certainty even when everything suggest otherwise.

What began as "positive thinking" has devolved into a habit of denying or reshaping reality to fit his preferred narrative.

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  #3502436 12-Jun-2026 15:56
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Trump said to call off strikes and says..


Given that Trump's habit is to agree the terms, sign the deal, and then pull the rug out from under the other guy and take the money and full advantage - I can understand that Iran will be thinking very carefully and considering all possible future outcomes and contingencies. The situation with the current ceasefire and agreement violations by Israel in Gaza may also be a factor.

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  #3502594 13-Jun-2026 11:05
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The deal turns out to be a "memorandum of understanding" that in part will rely on Israel to cease operations in Lebanon. In practice that means Trump will need some actual backbone to deny Netanyahu war materiel:

https://www.axios.com/2026/06/12/iran-deal-mou-strait-open-sanctions-relief

The parties are expected to sign the MOU formally sometime in the next week.

 
 
 

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  #3502644 13-Jun-2026 15:50
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Here's hoping.





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  #3502650 13-Jun-2026 15:59
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I’ll believe it when I see it. 

 

I’m rather pleased that my family will be out of this mess in a month. 


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  #3502689 13-Jun-2026 18:42
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Handle9:

 

I’ll believe it when I see it. 

 

I’m rather pleased that my family will be out of this mess in a month. 

 

 

 

 

Good luck, mate!





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  #3502699 13-Jun-2026 20:20
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SaltyNZ:

 

Handle9:

 

I’ll believe it when I see it. 

 

I’m rather pleased that my family will be out of this mess in a month. 

 

 

Good luck, mate!

 

 

Cheers. Things are actually really stable here at the moment but I’ll still be glad to be out of here. 


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  #3502790 14-Jun-2026 11:02
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It looks as though the peace of the memorandum of understanding will be similarly unstable, and have similar issues, but potentially with more oil and fertilizer flowing than currently:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/598128/trump-says-iran-deal-to-end-war-will-be-signed-imminently-iran-questions-timing

It would be some progress for everyone compared to the current situation.

 
 
 
 

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  #3502829 14-Jun-2026 15:24
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The hen is the smartest creature in the animal kingdom. She only cackles after the egg has been laid. - Abraham Lincoln





     

  • Qui nihil scit, omnia credere debet. - He who knows nothing must believe everything.
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  • I avoid Big Tech. They try hard to dictate technology and „culture“ across borders.
  • In effect we have everything to hide from someone, and no idea who „someone“ is.

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  #3503532 16-Jun-2026 13:59
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It is clear that Hegseth is simply a thug rather than a student of Sun Tzu

 

Sun Tzu:

 

To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill

 

 

Hegseth:

 

Oh, we'll make sure the military option is there. And that's the- that's the big difference between this and JCPOA, and the way Obama did it. Obama, they begged Iran for a deal, and we bombed Iran

 

 

Another way of saying that is that Obama succeeded at diplomacy.

 

Some people, many people in fact, call 'diplomacy' the 'art of the deal'.

 

Trump:

 

But I think that Obama will start in some form a war with Iran, and I think that will make him very popular for a short period of time.

 

 

Some statements really don't age well.


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  #3503534 16-Jun-2026 14:13
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roobarb: It is clear that Hegseth is simply a thug rather than a student of Sun Tzu

Hegseth is simply a Fox News host with tattoos promoted to hosting the Trump show.

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  #3503538 16-Jun-2026 14:27
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gzt:
roobarb: It is clear that Hegseth is simply a thug rather than a student of Sun Tzu

Hegseth is simply a Fox News host with tattoos promoted to hosting the Trump show.

 

"The Trump Show" is exactly like the inverse of "The Truman Show", where it is everything outside of some sealed dome that is artifcial and on camera 24x7.

 

The trick in life is to construct your own virtual Truman Show dome and live in that.


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