Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3184316 20-Jan-2024 08:45

So the last government didn't do some stuff they said they would, okay, fair criticism.

But Luxon has talked up a very big game (I didn't vote for him and can't stand Winston, so of course I'm not going to be complimentary) - therefore I want to see if he can deliver on what he said. He has constantly said the last government were essentially a useless basket case, so let's see him deliver on all the big things he's promised. He should be used to talking up big projects, he used to run an airline.

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#3184374 20-Jan-2024 12:04

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Arderns government got plenty of rope at the start, as it seems Luxon is getting from most, but not from this thread.

It's hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt when their entire plan consists of nothing but undoing everything that has been done. I mean, I'm sure he'll succeed at that.

But scrapping the Clean Car Scheme will cost twice as much as the benefits we lose from keeping it, and scrapping Three Waters somehow didn't magically fix the water problems. As far as tax goes, so far they've only delivered a significant tax increase for me. To be fair that was already incoming, but if it had been a good thing they'd be taking credit for it so I'll do them a favour and call it theirs too - after all, they could've stopped it if they wanted to.

As far as I can tell the only thing they have going for them is that inflation was already falling before the election, and might continue to do so so they can call it their amazing economic management - though their plans for massive immigration will surely push house & rent prices up, so who knows at this point?

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#3184417 20-Jan-2024 14:37

Voting in Aotearoa like in most nations is a choice between a rock and a hard place. I guess the best way to cope is to always have a way and a place to hide.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3184528 20-Jan-2024 18:37

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The 100,000 kiwibuild homes and light rail up Dominion road in 4 years they were going to build put paid to accepting handwavy from them.

Arderns government got plenty of rope at the start, as it seems Luxon is getting from most, but not from this thread.

Kiwibuild was a dream but a dream for the correct reasons. LR was a dream but it seems everyone doesnt w ant it anyway, so no loss.

Luxon is getting plenty of rope. Not from this thread? Probably. Same as Ardern in her thread. Ardern promised plenty, delivered a lot, but not the flagship policies. Luxon is the same, his flagship polices, I mean policy, (tax cuts) wont be delivered. But Golriz he jumped on that........... Plus he will fix everything, that wont happen as NZ doesnt/didnt have a totally national issue , we are riding the global wave.

Im still waiting for how we fix inflation, health, education, water, climate, all these are Labour caused.No details yet, just campaign promises regurgitated from pre Oct 2023. But they are just back at work so I am good with that

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#3184531 20-Jan-2024 18:52

SaltyNZ:

As far as I can tell the only thing they have going for them is that inflation was already falling before the election, and might continue to do so so they can call it their amazing economic management - though their plans for massive immigration will surely push house & rent prices up, so who knows at this point?

Global inflation is dropping, national inflation is dropping. Thats not due to Labour or NAF.

Yesterday there was an article on NCEA results, lets call it education in NZ. Covid severely affected how teachers interact with kids. Absenteeism due to scared of Covid or parents scared of more time off. The end result is obvious. Covid is effectively over, so education will go back to the usual norms. If Luxon wants to claim credit, i'd rather listen to Trump doing the same. The correct answer will be, yes Covid adversely affected education, thats normalising now, we cannot take credit for that but we do have plans to move pre Covid NZ education forward. Here are the plans in detail.

I would be ok with that, more than ok. But it wont happen if NZ politics is based on Marketing 101/102

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#3184556 20-Jan-2024 20:54

SaltyNZ:

But scrapping the Clean Car Scheme will cost twice as much as the benefits we lose from keeping it, and scrapping Three Waters somehow didn't magically fix the water problems. As far as tax goes, so far they've only delivered a significant tax increase for me. To be fair that was already incoming, but if it had been a good thing they'd be taking credit for it so I'll do them a favour and call it theirs too - after all, they could've stopped it if they wanted to.

As far as I can tell the only thing they have going for them is that inflation was already falling before the election, and might continue to do so so they can call it their amazing economic management - though their plans for massive immigration will surely push house & rent prices up, so who knows at this point?

I think you should read the whole report from MoT before leaping to the reported RNZ stuff. Aside from the difference between costs and benefits being entirely estimated health costs (which can be as little or as much as you want based on ropey underlying assumptions) the report summary says the system is flawed and unsustainable with many unintended consequences. None of that was reported by RNZ other than it was unsustainable.

If we had based transport decisions on health costs then catalytic converters would have been introduced many many many years ago.

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#3184558 20-Jan-2024 21:02

SaltyNZ:

- though their plans for massive immigration will surely push house & rent prices up, so who knows at this point?

I thought massive immigration was a problem? Now NAF want it?

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#3184577 20-Jan-2024 22:29

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It keeps rental and real-estate market buoyant, amplifying housing shortages.
All those garages converted into extra rooms in South Auckland, plus rotting past warrantable caravans.

If you are a McDonalds, Warehouse, even multitudes of Liquor stores and $ shops, more people are more sales.
Immigration consultant heaven.

Employers don't need troublesome expensive apprentices if they can import labor that will lose their ability to stay if they lose their job.
Then everything through to truck and bus drivers with unattractive split shifts.

Its John Keys economic miracle really, though its potentially corrosive long term.
You can't take your money to the grave so why think of next generation.

$7M for National, $4M for ACT, even NZF got over $1M, markers are being called in.

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#3184657 21-Jan-2024 10:03

ezbee: $7M for National, $4M for ACT, even NZF got over $1M, markers are being called in.

I'm not sure what these figures you have claimed refer to can you explain and your reference to markers?

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#3184663 21-Jan-2024 10:18

Its John Keys economic miracle really, though its potentially corrosive long term.

In summary there was no economic miracle under Key's government. Key's National government was a fairly steady continuation of the Clark Labour government policies.

Yes, that cuts both ways to be sure. Key had the loose cannons in his party tied down and immobile unlike the current lot. For Key, people voted for a continuation + something better. At least they got former if the latter never arrived.

Back to the topic Luxon's National seems somewhat rudderless and swung around by ACTs heavy hand on the tiller.

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#3184665 21-Jan-2024 10:29

gzt:
ezbee: $7M for National, $4M for ACT, even NZF got over $1M, markers are being called in.

I'm not sure what these figures you have claimed refer to can you explain and your reference to markers?

I undercounted or noted an earlier report on donations.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-national-party-banks-75-times-more-in-donations-than-labour-party/CAKRIIEYXBGMRGUNIVQ6J3NXVM/

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#3184973 22-Jan-2024 06:07

ezbee:

Its John Keys economic miracle really, though its potentially corrosive long term.

John Key's biggest economic miracle just had its biggest 12 month period under the outgoing Labour government.

And the government at no point was concerned enough about imported population pressure to do much about it.

So we can clearly infer that, given Grant Robertson is supposedly such a finance wizard, that this isn't actually a problem at all.

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#3184975 22-Jan-2024 06:44

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ezbee:

Its John Keys economic miracle really, though its potentially corrosive long term.

John Key's biggest economic miracle just had its biggest 12 month period under the outgoing Labour government.

And the government at no point was concerned enough about imported population pressure to do much about it.

So we can clearly infer that, given Grant Robertson is supposedly such a finance wizard, that this isn't actually a problem at all.

Thats a bit of a dollar each way, or a turnaround? Luxon bitterly complained about recent net immigration figures, now its ok?

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#3185001 22-Jan-2024 10:12

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Thats a bit of a dollar each way, or a turnaround? Luxon bitterly complained about recent net immigration figures, now its ok?

He's made that bed for himself now; I know they'll argue that building infrastructure is the way you fix that, not limiting migration altogether.

But likewise we'll see a bunch of people holding this against them when they don't get numbers down who had relatively little to say about it for the last couple of years.

As an aside; I'd really, really want to know how you help Auckland mop up more and more migrants by four lanening roads in the back of beyond.

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#3185002 22-Jan-2024 10:17

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But likewise we'll see a bunch of people holding this against them when they don't get numbers down who had relatively little to say about it for the last couple of years.

I don't think there's anyone on GZ who thinks Labour did a bang-up job on infrastructure over the last 6 years. Including us lefties.

As an aside; I'd really, really want to know how you help Auckland mop up more and more migrants by four lanening roads in the back of beyond.

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