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#2887581 17-Mar-2022 13:55

There is no romance in war, the comic book heroes exist only in cartoons. Those that pontificate about those magnificent men can examine the short video clips that were sent from the frozen battlegrounds of Ukraine - taken by a Ukranian soldier & sent to a friend of mine who's ex-Ukranian army & currently preparing to leave for his homeland, along with some 40,000 other ex-military volunteers from around the world.

If you have a gentle disposition, I suggest you don't click through. Those who would like a reminder that real life war ain't like Counterstrike, MOH or Fortnite - your health does not regenerate, dead is dead.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tiGhStMkJrKToR7r5

I've held these privately for 10 days now, respecting the people involved. I'm only offering these short clip videos because I've seen them repeated on other websites.

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#2887617 17-Mar-2022 15:37

If the Russian police (the Ministry of Internal Affairs) arrest people holding blank paper and signs that literally says "two words", it shows their insecurity They clearly think there's something to be ashamed of.

Newsweek: Russia Arrests Multiple People for Holding Up Blank Signs

Russia Arrests Multiple People for Holding Up Blank Signsnti-war protesters in Russia are being detained by police for holding up blank posters as part of demonstrations protesting against President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

As mass demonstrations against Russia's invasion of Ukraine continue to intensify, a woman in in Nizhny Novgorod, in central Russia, was arrested on Sunday for protesting with a blank sign.
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Blank paper

Literality says "two words"

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#2887622 17-Mar-2022 15:53

Even children are being arrested.

http://theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/02/moscow-police-arrest-children-for-laying-flowers-at-ukrainian-embassy

Also saw on the TV news one lady was questioned, then let go and all she was doing was carrying flowers on the street.

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#2887625 17-Mar-2022 16:01

tdgeek:

rugrat:

NATO wasn’t making it easy for Ukraine to join anyway so agreeing to this seems to be common sense to me.

The sticking points would be demilitarisation, and if land is taken off Ukraine.

I also wonder where this leaves Sweden and Finland, popular opinion has swung to joining NATO, but it’s a more then two day process, so they put in to join, get attacked for asking to join, and no defence from NATO directly.

So, lets say there is an agreement, Ukraine wont join NATO, even though they are an independent nation and not beholding to Putin. Demilitarisation. Well, no one else would attack Ukraine. Lets say part of Ukraine's land is taken, the South mainly. They sign something like this off.

Life goes back to normal except, thousands are dead, and may cities and towns have been or have large parts of them levelled. When does the power and gas go back on? Where do kids go to school or Uni? Where do you go if you need a hospital?

And in five years Putin tries it again.

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#2887791 17-Mar-2022 16:54

USA Today: Doesn't Ukrainian President Zelenskyy 'own a suit?' Economist asks and gets slammed on Twitter.

Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has gained respect for his social video posts in which he is plain-spoken and plainly dressed. He famously told the U.S. at the outset of Russia's invasion, "I need ammunition, not a ride."

But Zelenskyy's dressed-down approach was inappropriate, said Schiff, who is chief economist and president of investment firm Euro Pacific Capital.

"I understand times are hard, but doesn't the President of the Ukraine own a suit?"
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#2887800 17-Mar-2022 17:03

Oh, fuck off, Mr Schiff.

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#2887804 17-Mar-2022 17:19

I never thought I'd post a Fox "news" article, but here it is

Fox "News": Ukraine-Russia war: New York politician holds gun drive as Ukraine citizens take up arms against Russian invaders

[A New York county Executive, Bruce Blakeman said] "President Zelenskyy for the last few days has been begging for weapons, begging for help. How can we sit by silently and not do our part?"

Blakeman added Thursday. "In the United States, we have over 300 million legal guns.

If we could just get three-tenths of a percent of those guns to the Ukraine with donations from the American people, legal gun owners, we could get a million guns to the Ukraine."
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#2887820 17-Mar-2022 18:11

I dont know what to think now. Its a slaughter. There has been the odd news bite about the non NATO Nordic states. I can only assume that if Finland and Sweden were attacked, it would be the same as Ukraine. Lots of support, here are weapons, that's it. NATO, Europe would just watch. But be very emotionally supportive, thats not that helpful.

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#2887838 17-Mar-2022 19:00

Biden offers 1 billion in new military assistance to Ukraine. Here's something left out...

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#2887840 17-Mar-2022 19:00

A reminder on how Putin got there including surviving the uncovering of his ballot stuffing operation.
Large numbers of Russians came out to protest,
the pre-marked votes, voting booths with erasable pens so votes could be altered.
He just brutally suppressed protests, and imprisoned and killed many opponents.
https://www.pbs.org/video/putins-road-to-war-ggv39p/

How do you negotiate with someone for whom lying is natural and just a negotiating tactic ?

For whom there is no such thing as an enduring agreement,

So a ceasefire, is a chance to re-enforce and secure areas captured, have fake elections there, and be ready for a new jump off.

Neutrality is, whatever I think it is on the day, but generally, totally aligned with me.
So I can run political operations to put in power whom I want like I did in Belarus.
My favorite oligarchs get deals to control your key economic assets.
Some other special gifts as well for my favorite people.
Polonium, Novichok, a bullet or what may look like a suicide or bizarre bondage gone wrong.

Disarm, is literarily disarmed.
My security forces can walk in anytime I want uncontested.

Security guarantees, of course, I am professional liar. We have been there before.

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#2887842 17-Mar-2022 19:07

ezbee:

A reminder on how Putin got there including surviving the uncovering of his ballot stuffing operation.
Large numbers of Russians came out to protest,
the pre-marked votes, voting booths with erasable pens so votes could be altered.
He just brutally suppressed protests, and imprisoned and killed many opponents.
https://www.pbs.org/video/putins-road-to-war-ggv39p/

How do you negotiate with someone for whom lying is natural and just a negotiating tactic ?

For whom there is no such thing as an enduring agreement,

So a ceasefire, is a chance to re-enforce and secure areas captured, have fake elections there, and be ready for a new jump off.

Neutrality is, whatever I think it is on the day, but generally, totally aligned with me.
So I can run political operations to put in power whom I want like I did in Belarus.
My favorite oligarchs get deals to control your key economic assets.
Some other special gifts as well for my favorite people.
Polonium, Novichok, a bullet or what may look like a suicide or bizarre bondage gone wrong.

Disarm, is literarily disarmed.
My security forces can walk in anytime I want uncontested.

Security guarantees, of course, I am professional liar. We have been there before.

Yep. He is the most powerful person in the world at the moment. While its good that the modern world wont just go wild with tanks, it seems to have gone the other way, when good and right can be abused. Lets assume Putin takes Ukraine. The sanctions need to be permanent, but can be reviewed if and when a new governance occurs in Russia.

In the meantime, the slaughter continues

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#2887884 17-Mar-2022 20:35

kingdragonfly: USA Today: Doesn't Ukrainian President Zelenskyy 'own a suit?' Economist asks and gets slammed on Twitter.

Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has gained respect for his social video posts in which he is plain-spoken and plainly dressed. He famously told the U.S. at the outset of Russia's invasion, "I need ammunition, not a ride."

But Zelenskyy's dressed-down approach was inappropriate, said Schiff, who is chief economist and president of investment firm Euro Pacific Capital.

"I understand times are hard, but doesn't the President of the Ukraine own a suit?"

It is my understanding that President Zelenskyy does in fact own a suit. He was saving it for Putin's funeral but cut it up instead for bandages for bleeding children.

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#2887888 17-Mar-2022 20:40

tdgeek:

I dont know what to think now. Its a slaughter. There has been the odd news bite about the non NATO Nordic states. I can only assume that if Finland and Sweden were attacked, it would be the same as Ukraine. Lots of support, here are weapons, that's it. NATO, Europe would just watch. But be very emotionally supportive, thats not that helpful.

The support is like "thoughts and prayers" (although a bit more valuable) but at the end is no more than what the world did back when Hitler took over whatever he wanted.

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#2887890 17-Mar-2022 20:47

kingdragonfly: If the Russian police (the Ministry of Internal Affairs) arrest people holding blank paper and signs that literally says "two words", it shows their insecurity They clearly think there's something to be ashamed of.

Newsweek: Russia Arrests Multiple People for Holding Up Blank Signs

Russia Arrests Multiple People for Holding Up Blank Signsnti-war protesters in Russia are being detained by police for holding up blank posters as part of demonstrations protesting against President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

As mass demonstrations against Russia's invasion of Ukraine continue to intensify, a woman in in Nizhny Novgorod, in central Russia, was arrested on Sunday for protesting with a blank sign.

How hard would it be to get dozens of people to stand in front of the Russian embassy holding blank signs?

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#2887900 17-Mar-2022 21:08

Schiff he is just the right type of person to judge the best people.
How much Russian money is he laundering ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff

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On October 18, 2020, the 60 Minutes Australia episode "Offshore bank at the center of enormous worldwide tax evasion investigation" said that tax authorities in Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, America, and the Netherlands believed Euro Pacific Bank was facilitating tax evasion and serious organized crime.[16]
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Maybe a buddy of Koch Brothers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/koch-industries-russia-ukraine-sanctions/

Putin can get his favored Oligarchs to buy the best people.

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