Labour's proposed regional fuel tax: Will you be happy to pay it?

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#1841301 8-Aug-2017 16:56

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gzt: From Onehunga you have to cross the bridge. You might be better off going Airport, Mangere, Otahuhu.

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The subject is an election policy by one party, it's political.

No objection from me.

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#1841473 8-Aug-2017 21:11

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rb99:

Mentioned before previously, but I see no reason why we all shouldn't contribute. Auckland is 4 hours drive away for me, so what. Kaikoura is a lot further away and I'm helping to pay for their roads and railway to be fixed after their recent little seismic events.

If we all contributed, the tax would certainly raise a lot more money than originally anticipated by Labour's Gurus. But, because a regional fuel tax can't be implemented (as Bill English claims) then don't you think that Labour needs to go back to the drawing board urgently and issue a statement that clarifies the situation? Labour can't simply ignore the research that National has obviously done on this issue.

You would think that, if elected, Labour should be able to introduce a regional fuel tax even if it means that new systems need to be designed to implement it. But, in light of the statement by Bill English, Labour needs to explain why National is wrong on this issue (if they are).

In any event, I can imagine a lot of people outside Auckland won't vote for a Labour Green Alliance if they think some of their petrol bill is going to pay for Auckland's transport woes! So, Jacinda, get cracking and explain how you're going to do it!

This morning on the AM show, Jacinda said that she disagreed with National's assertion that a regional fuel tax can't be implemented, but she didn't provide any details about how Labour can do this.

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#1841475 8-Aug-2017 21:16

frednz:

frednz:

rb99:

Mentioned before previously, but I see no reason why we all shouldn't contribute. Auckland is 4 hours drive away for me, so what. Kaikoura is a lot further away and I'm helping to pay for their roads and railway to be fixed after their recent little seismic events.

If we all contributed, the tax would certainly raise a lot more money than originally anticipated by Labour's Gurus. But, because a regional fuel tax can't be implemented (as Bill English claims) then don't you think that Labour needs to go back to the drawing board urgently and issue a statement that clarifies the situation? Labour can't simply ignore the research that National has obviously done on this issue.

You would think that, if elected, Labour should be able to introduce a regional fuel tax even if it means that new systems need to be designed to implement it. But, in light of the statement by Bill English, Labour needs to explain why National is wrong on this issue (if they are).

In any event, I can imagine a lot of people outside Auckland won't vote for a Labour Green Alliance if they think some of their petrol bill is going to pay for Auckland's transport woes! So, Jacinda, get cracking and explain how you're going to do it!

This morning on the AM show, Jacinda said that she disagreed with National's assertion that a regional fuel tax can't be implemented, but she didn't provide any details about how Labour can do this.

What reasons did Bill provide that it cannot be done?

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#1841493 8-Aug-2017 22:16

I'd say the biggest reason is that you'll only score in the areas too far from the boundary to make it worth leaving the taxed area to fill up.

You see that in the US where a State borders another that has lower fuel taxes - anyone close enough will cross to the other State to fill up.

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#1841525 9-Aug-2017 06:47

Geektastic:

I'd say the biggest reason is that you'll only score in the areas too far from the boundary to make it worth leaving the taxed area to fill up.

You see that in the US where a State borders another that has lower fuel taxes - anyone close enough will cross to the other State to fill up.

True, but that doesnt mean it cannot be done. Simply apply a levy in the billing systems of gas stations that are in AKL and surrounds, thats it. The few that decide to waste time and money on the fringes are miniscule.

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#1841528 9-Aug-2017 07:04

Or, apply the 10c levy nationwide. The funds are for the respective province. Im not paying for AKL's lack of planning or deferred roading, but Im happy to pay for roading in my province.

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#1843231 10-Aug-2017 09:17

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Or, apply the 10c levy nationwide. The funds are for the respective province. Im not paying for AKL's lack of planning or deferred roading, but Im happy to pay for roading in my province.

Isn't that what tax and rates already pay for?

What is the benefit of yet another tax?

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#1843291 10-Aug-2017 09:37

Geektastic:
tdgeek:

Or, apply the 10c levy nationwide. The funds are for the respective province. Im not paying for AKL's lack of planning or deferred roading, but Im happy to pay for roading in my province.

Isn't that what tax and rates already pay for?

What is the benefit of yet another tax?

The infrastructure has not been maintained. It should have been funded annually keeping up to date. So, catching up 10 years of deferred spending cant be funded from one years rates and taxes

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#1843350 10-Aug-2017 10:26

tdgeek:

Geektastic:
tdgeek:

Or, apply the 10c levy nationwide. The funds are for the respective province. Im not paying for AKL's lack of planning or deferred roading, but Im happy to pay for roading in my province.

Isn't that what tax and rates already pay for?

What is the benefit of yet another tax?

The infrastructure has not been maintained. It should have been funded annually keeping up to date. So, catching up 10 years of deferred spending cant be funded from one years rates and taxes

Too much money being spent on welfare, and probably lots of it lost on walfare fraud too. We need to tighten the reins a bit. We pay way more than enough tax in this country already.

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#1843360 10-Aug-2017 10:35

Wiggum:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:
tdgeek:

Or, apply the 10c levy nationwide. The funds are for the respective province. Im not paying for AKL's lack of planning or deferred roading, but Im happy to pay for roading in my province.

Isn't that what tax and rates already pay for?

What is the benefit of yet another tax?

The infrastructure has not been maintained. It should have been funded annually keeping up to date. So, catching up 10 years of deferred spending cant be funded from one years rates and taxes

Too much money being spent on welfare, and probably lots of it lost on walfare fraud too. We need to tighten the reins a bit. We pay way more than enough tax in this country already.

Levels of benefit abuse and fraud are very low in NZ on international standards.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1843365 10-Aug-2017 10:44

MikeB4: Levels of benefit abuse and fraud are very low in NZ on international standards.

After watching the "Turei effect" on this very subject, I don't think I quiet agree with you.

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#1843366 10-Aug-2017 10:47

Wiggum:

MikeB4: Levels of benefit abuse and fraud are very low in NZ on international standards.

After watching the "Turei effect" on this very subject, I don't think I quiet agree with you.

good grief, you base your ummm errr assessment on one incident, I base my statement on over a quarter of a century's professional involvement.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.