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#3467253 6-Mar-2026 13:23

Ge0rge: And it's not as if there is deckloads of space on a submarine in order to pick up extra personnel.

That's a terrible excuse. International law requires assistance for wrecked crew after an engagement.

There are many cases in WW2 where this assistance was provided by submariners.

For example transporting only the severely wounded would have been easily possible.

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#3467270 6-Mar-2026 14:21

Ge0rge:

It's a bit of a stretch to call a modern warship an "unarmed ship"... And it's not as if there is deckloads of space on a submarine in order to pick up extra personnel. The PBS article does a much better job of explaining the events without the added emotion.

"If a US attack submarine used shared data to locate and sink an Iranian frigate that had just departed an Indian port after participating in a multilateral naval exercise, it would represent a foundational breach of the defence partnership."

I'm pretty sure that the US didn't need help from India in finding an Iranian Frigate...

SIGINT would have been tracking the entire Iranian Navy for weeks in the run up to this to know where all the pieces were ....

Also a Virginia Class Sub (The Australians being present is a giveaway) would have no trouble following the acoustic track of the Frigate as it left Indian waters.

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#3467280 6-Mar-2026 14:51

The very stupidest thing is the Trump administration asking the Iranian people to revolt then abandoning them to the sea and driving off.

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#3467323 6-Mar-2026 16:42

On USA vs IRAN I am not sure which one is 'Pot' and which is 'Kettle'.

Its a very odd command decision to head out while USA is swacking everything it can.
Taking a long holiday in India would have seemed much more pleasant.

Sri Lanka has saved this other crew from a repeat. Good on them

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#3467479 7-Mar-2026 10:26

gzt:
Ge0rge: And it's not as if there is deckloads of space on a submarine in order to pick up extra personnel.

That's a terrible excuse. International law requires assistance for wrecked crew after an engagement.

There are many cases in WW2 where this assistance was provided by submariners.

For example transporting only the severely wounded would have been easily possible.

Indeed, the rules of engagement for German u-boats in WWII changed precisely because of a rules of war violation: the Laconia Incident. A German u-boat sunk a ship (legally) and picked up a bunch of survivors. It was proceeding to port on the surface to drop them with a red cross flying when it when it and an assisting u-boat also carrying survivors was attacked by US aircraft who killed many on deck before the subs were forced to submerge anyway to avoid destruction.

As a result the Germans no longer attempted to rescue survivors and warfare was unrestricted for the rest of the war.

So ... I guess what I'm saying is that the Americans have form.

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#3467491 7-Mar-2026 11:24

Trump meets with weapons companies and tells them to increase production. Arms companies are not increasing production at Trump's pace. This meeting looks a lot like Trump's Venezuela oil company meeting:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-06/us-says-it-has-enough-munitions-as-trump-summons-defense-firms?embedded-checkout=true

"Lockheed, for one, would need three years to triple PAC-3 output to a pace of 2,000 missiles a year from the present pace of about 600 interceptors, CEO Jim Taiclet said in January. Lockheed’s framework agreement is also preliminary and not yet an actual contract, said Tom Karako, director of the missile defense project at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies."

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#3467512 7-Mar-2026 12:45

Mango Mussolini and the Trumplicans, cargo cult.
Who Knew ?
Everyone but you its seems.

Systems don't arrive magically like your order for more fake gilded drapes from Temu.

I have known people in companies that supplied some non weapons stuff to govt and military.
Always on edge, volumes that have to be delivered quickly, no leadtime to source materials, cancellations anytime.
You expand a factory, train or hold onto workers from last order, with next pending and a government changes its mind.

So expecting extra capacity to just magically appear at snap of fingers.
Trump has blocked EU from weapons licenses to manufacture systems like patriot to build resilience.

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#3467526 7-Mar-2026 13:40

Azeris fear the USA will initiate ethnic conflict near Iran's border with Azerbaijan and Türkiye:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260306-iran-azeris-fear-ethnic-strife-sucking-turkey-and-azerbaijan-into-the-war-middle-east

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#3467535 7-Mar-2026 14:36

gzt: Trump meets with weapons companies and tells them to increase production. Arms companies are not increasing production at Trump's pace. This meeting looks a lot like Trump's Venezuela oil company meeting:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-06/us-says-it-has-enough-munitions-as-trump-summons-defense-firms?embedded-checkout=true

"Lockheed, for one, would need three years to triple PAC-3 output to a pace of 2,000 missiles a year from the present pace of about 600 interceptors, CEO Jim Taiclet said in January. Lockheed’s framework agreement is also preliminary and not yet an actual contract, said Tom Karako, director of the missile defense project at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies."

Kind of what happens when you put someone like Hegseth in charge of ~~defence~~ war and then he removes people with experience or ignores the wisdom of those with experience.

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#3467561 7-Mar-2026 16:20

Alas Mark Carney's "middle powers can hold superpowers to account" did not last long, all of the five eyes have folded.

NZ is blaming Iran for their indiscriminate responses in the same way that Trump blamed Ukraine for getting invaded.

The Iranian responses don't look indiscriminate, you don't hit an AWS data centre in Bahrain based on luck.

Perhaps Claud was considered a supply chain risk because it suggested the US should strike Israel first to prevent retaliation and escalation of a middle east war

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#3467565 7-Mar-2026 16:35

gzt: Trump meets with weapons companies and tells them to increase production. Arms companies are not increasing production at Trump's pace.

It sounds like Trump exercised the same amount of planning and Congressional consultation as tearing down the East Wing in the Whitehouse.

Maybe he should ask for donation of guns from Florida and Texas.

I'm sure dead US servicemen and Iranians are in his thoughts and prayers.

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#3467566 7-Mar-2026 16:42

Nobrainer. I am against the inhumane Iranian mullah regime, but basically (without having to think about) ANYTHING that the Orange does. Because we all know that it's NEVER out of love for humanity.

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#3467569 7-Mar-2026 16:52

roobarb: Perhaps Claud was considered a supply chain risk because it suggested the US should strike Israel first to prevent retaliation and escalation of a middle east war

I assume that Claud.ai was in jest, as I can't find a reference to it.

Here's a somewhat related article

Anthropic AI reportedly used in US-Israel strikes as OpenAI faces user backlash for military agreement: Business and Human Rights Centre

The role of artificial intelligence in military operations and the responsibilities of the companies that develop it are under renewed scrutiny this week, following a series of developments involving two of the industry's most prominent players.

Anthropic's Claude AI was allegedly used by the Pentagon during the joint US-Israel bombardment on Iran on 28 February. While the exact role of the AI in the operation has not been disclosed, the Wall Street Journal reported that US military command used the tools for intelligence gathering, target selection and battlefield simulations.
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#3467634 7-Mar-2026 17:41

kingdragonfly:
gzt: Trump meets with weapons companies and tells them to increase production. Arms companies are not increasing production at Trump's pace.

It sounds like Trump exercised the same amount of planning and Congressional consultation as tearing down the East Wing in the Whitehouse.

Maybe he should ask for donation of guns from Florida and Texas.I'm sure dead US servicemen and Iranians are in his thoughts and prayers.

Does Trump ever think? I doubt he ever prays.

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#3467637 7-Mar-2026 17:45

Tinkerisk:

Nobrainer. I am against the inhumane Iranian mullah regime, but basically (without having to think about) ANYTHING that the Orange does. Because we all know that it's NEVER out of love for humanity.

It's aways for the love of one human. 😎

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