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  #3510475 11-Jul-2026 19:02
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quickymart:

 

The orange buffoon actually doesn't seem to have many options re Iran now: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/09/politics/trump-iran-peace-deal-strait-analysis

 

One possibility might be for Trump to simply walk away, leaving the world with the reality of a contested Strait of Hormuz. That would mean more expensive energy and a dangerous and more expensive passage for ships. Markets might adjust. But he would not be able to insulate the US from economic consequences — including the stock indexes he uses as a barometer of personal success.

 

Eventually, a lower volume of oil on the market could critically deplete reserve stocks. And ignoring the problem would enshrine an embarrassing defeat for the president and wreck global perceptions of US power. Iran could flaunt its prime leverage from the war in perpetuity. 

 

 

Agree

 

He said we dont need their oil, not our problem. So why get involved???? Why add more people that have died under his watch?? Renee Good, Alex Pretti and now another one. The destruction of apparent drug boats, why not apprehend them? USAID and many so ons.

 

If you left Iran to the Middle East nations and EU/UK, people will make the Art of the Deal... Not easy, but not hard




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  #3510481 11-Jul-2026 19:58
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The oil price is currently within 10% of the pre-covid average. The current issue is some countries did not want to use the passage desired by Iran. A few of those ships were reminded of the recommendation with some relatively small projectiles. There was no real damage to the vessels.

Even with Iran's proposed passage service fee adding a dollar a barrel in future the price is not a big deal.

UAE is building an additional pipeline to bypass Hormuz with completion in 2027. The strait will be even less an issue for the oil price. The MOU is a sensible solution to many issues.

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  #3510849 12-Jul-2026 23:36
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There are signs that navigation service fee negotiations are in progress:

"Europe considering proposals to allow navigation fees in strait of Hormuz"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/11/europe-considers-proposals-navigational-fees-strait-of-hormuz-iran-us



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  #3510863 13-Jul-2026 08:46
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Looks like it's all back on again.

 

 

 

 

 

US and Iranian forces have exchanged heavy missile and drone assaults, with Tehran targeting US facilities in states across the Gulf on Sunday and saying it had again closed the vital Strait of Hormuz.

 

 

 

The strikes were the latest in a cycle of attacks and counter-attacks as Iran seeks to assert control over shipping through the strait. However, the barrage marked an escalation in pace and range.

 

 

 

 





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  #3511115 13-Jul-2026 20:11
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Negotiation has continued during many phases of this war. The parties know that these issues eventually must be resolved. A diplomatically acceptable navigation service fee is an obvious way forward and naturally consistent with developments so far. Trump is not keen on that and has no doubt been working against that for the moment.

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  #3511176 14-Jul-2026 09:18
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I dunno, Don, the Iranians were a lot cheaper 

 

 

 

 

“The U.S.A. will be, from this point forward, known as “THE GUARDIAN OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT,” but as such, and as a matter of FAIRNESS, will be reimbursed, at the rate of 20% on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of providing safety and security,” the US president stated.

 



 

 





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  #3511340 14-Jul-2026 22:13
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SaltyNZ:

 

I dunno, Don, the Iranians were a lot cheaper 

 

 

 

 

“The U.S.A. will be, from this point forward, known as “THE GUARDIAN OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT,” but as such, and as a matter of FAIRNESS, will be reimbursed, at the rate of 20% on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of providing safety and security,” the US president stated.

 



 

 

 

 

Do the shippers get their money back on the event of a failed transit?

 

Bet not ... 


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  #3511346 15-Jul-2026 01:39
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It’s infuriating that this ****head can screw up not only his own country but so many other ones.


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  #3511351 15-Jul-2026 07:12
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https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/us-iran-war-trump-ceasefire-attacks-strait-of-hormuz/

 

It's okay, as usual, Trump Always Chickens Out. He's changed his mind on his 20% defense/safety/whatever it is fee 🙄

 

In other news:

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-reflecting-pool-drained-repairs/

 

(how can anyone "slash" something 300m long, with cameras pointed at the pool 24 hours a day, yet no one saw a thing? 🤷‍♂️)

 

 


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  #3511422 15-Jul-2026 09:56
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quickymart:

 

 

 

In other news:

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-reflecting-pool-drained-repairs/

 

(how can anyone "slash" something 300m long, with cameras pointed at the pool 24 hours a day, yet no one saw a thing? 🤷‍♂️)

 

 

There are a few YT videos from independent content creators claiming various opinions.

 

One I watched claimed that the work had not been done properly, and thus should be fixed under warranty.

 

Someone came up with the idea that if vandalism was deemed to be the nature of the damage instead of poor workmanship, then the company that did the supposedly faulty work would not need to re-do the work at their cost as a warranty claim, rather, they could re-do it, and be paid, again, by the US taxpayers.


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  #3511424 15-Jul-2026 10:29
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So we are back to Day 1 of the Trump/Netanyahu created conflict

 

And he wanted fees lol, that's crazy

 

Like the smaller nation Ukraine, Iran will remain present, they don't need major arms to make the Strait a problem


 
 
 

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  #3511425 15-Jul-2026 10:29
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And Today: 

 


Donald Trump says  he has decided to "replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States".

 

"Those Investments will be MASSIVE but, at the same time, extraordinarily good for them, and their future," he writes on the platform.

 

Followed by

 


the Strait of Hormuz is "open to ALL Ship traffic except for Iran — and that is because of their lying, violent, malicious leadership, which is taking them down the path of TOTAL DESTRUCTION".

 

He adds there will be a "full blockade" but only on ships "coming to and from Iranian ports, or carrying anything have to do with Iranian cargo".


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  #3511429 15-Jul-2026 10:38
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wellygary:

 

And Today: 

 

the Strait of Hormuz is "open to ALL Ship traffic except for Iran — and that is because of their lying, violent, malicious leadership, which is taking them down the path of TOTAL DESTRUCTION".

 

He adds there will be a "full blockade" but only on ships "coming to and from Iranian ports, or carrying anything have to do with Iranian cargo".

 

 

 

If Trump is planning "TOTAL DESTRUCTION" presumably he is planning genocide of the Iranian people.

 

A war crime in the making it would seem.

 


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  #3511430 15-Jul-2026 10:42
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The reflecting 'Trumps inner soul' pool. 
His victory drive before it was refilled.
Vehicles that concentrate weight of a small tank being so heavily armored, on the small contact points of the tires. 
Additionally, the surface you drive on has not properly dried. Even if the right materials were used which is doubtful.
The contractor is a toady from your golf club who probably pocketed most of the money.

 

You get Trumps, 'Who Knew'.

 

We started years ago with 'Who Knew' healthcare, still waiting for that concept of a plan.

 

We now have 'Who Knew' Iran's IRGC and violent Theocracy willing to massacre its own are hard men just praying for boots on the ground.
To get blood revenge and validation. 

 

'Who Knew' Hormuz was a narrow waterway vulnerable to control by the cheapest plentiful drones. 
Oil and LNG tankers not needing much of a spark.
Build a pipeline, there are thousands of ballistic, cruise missiles and larger drones.
Pipelines, pumping stations and terminals not being very good at 'duck and cover'. 

 

Trumps boss Putin knew, and well, why tell Trump when the show will be so much fun. 
Your apprentice needed reigning in. 

 

Some future better options for apprentice may be needed.
Maybe Elon and Thiel have someone in mind.
Getting the right level of incompetence and greed is hard. 


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  #3512324 18-Jul-2026 08:03
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A few relevant cartoons on this topic for your Saturday morning:

 

https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/0b59bc4/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F60%2F74%2F8ebc5a8e473b89e170b7fce8d666%2Fbecs-cagle-com.jpg

 

https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/34e9c0c/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Ffc%2Fbc%2F48d690bc478f831c2f4f16e289c2%2Fkal-the-economist.jpg

 

https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/51743fb/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fb4%2Fb2%2F71c633774cdca95c32edafb89b4b%2Fbill-bramhall-ny-daily-news.jpg

 

 


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