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#2203293 22-Mar-2019 11:49

nathan:

chatterbox:

Wish we could create a red flag list when these people come through. He can have his view but there's no need to wear the t-shirt. That's where his lapse of judgment comes in.

he wasn't wearing a tshirt. He was photographed beside an NZ attendee, wearing a tshirt

Would you stand next to someone wearing a KKK hood and smile for the photo?

Same rules apply here where Peterson was more than happy to have his photo taken with a white supremacist and smile for the photo. If he didn't approve of it he wouldn't have wanted to have the photo taken, or renounced it afterwards. Neither has happened.

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#2203295 22-Mar-2019 11:53

Tracer:

Sad day when people think well-reasoned viewpoints different to their own should be banned. On the other hand it's also sad that the alt-right seem to have claimed him as their own, without even a shred of understanding of what he's actually saying. I guess the latter will doom him in the eyes of history.

Do you really think "well-reasoned viewpoints" is a justification or excuse for extremist views?

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#2203299 22-Mar-2019 12:03

BarTender:

nathan:

chatterbox:

Wish we could create a red flag list when these people come through. He can have his view but there's no need to wear the t-shirt. That's where his lapse of judgment comes in.

he wasn't wearing a tshirt. He was photographed beside an NZ attendee, wearing a tshirt

Would you stand next to someone wearing a KKK hood and smile for the photo?

Same rules apply here where Peterson was more than happy to have his photo taken with a white supremacist and smile for the photo. If he didn't approve of it he wouldn't have wanted to have the photo taken, or renounced it afterwards. Neither has happened.

no of course not, I'm simply pointing out a factual inaccuracy

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#2203317 22-Mar-2019 12:15

freitasm:

Do you really think "well-reasoned viewpoints" is a justification or excuse for extremist views?

No. To my knowledge Peterson himself doesn't hold extremist views. I'd appreciate any correction on that if I'm wrong.

BarTender:

The fact you think that Jordan Peterson has well-reasoned viewpoints rather than blatant racebaiting and dog whistling to his base under the guise of an educated argument doesn't reflect on you well.

Maybe I am wrong on this. I can't say I've done any more than watch a couple of Canadian debates that popped up on YouTube suggestions.

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#2203319 22-Mar-2019 12:21

I must admit I am growing weary of the constant bombardment of NZ Herald with breaking news:

Just now:

Teen Christchurch shooting survivor says he wants to trade places with dead family

What purpose does reporting this serve?

I understand they need to sell headlines, but the dissection of every tiny angle of this tragedy isn't in my view a very productive way forward.

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#2203363 22-Mar-2019 13:24

nathan:

chatterbox:

Wish we could create a red flag list when these people come through. He can have his view but there's no need to wear the t-shirt. That's where his lapse of judgment comes in.

he wasn't wearing a tshirt. He was photographed beside an NZ attendee, wearing a tshirt

My bad.

Never say never

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#2203367 22-Mar-2019 13:42

Read this with pride ...

The New York Times - When Government Works for the Governed

New Zealand’s prime minister moved swiftly to ban weapons of mass killing after a gunman attacked two mosques.

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

March 21, 2019

The murder of 50 Muslim worshipers in New Zealand, allegedly by a 28-year-old Australian white supremacist *, will be long scrutinized for the way violent hatreds are spawned and staged on social media and the internet. But now the world should learn from the way Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, has responded to the horror.

Almost immediately after last Friday’s killings, Ms. Ardern listened to her constituents’ outrage and declared that within days her government would introduce new controls on the military-style weapons that the Christchurch shooter and many of the mass killers in the United States have used on their rampages. And she delivered.

On Thursday, Ms. Ardern announced a ban on all military-style semiautomatic and automatic weapons, parts that can be used to turn other rifles into such weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. “It’s about all of us,” she said, “it’s in the national interest and it’s about safety.” ...

In New Zealand, it took one mass shooting to awaken the government. In the United States, even a string of mass killings - 26 dead in a school in Newtown, Conn.; 49 in a nightclub in Orlando; 58 at a concert in Las Vegas; 17 in a school in Parkland, Fla. - has not been enough. Nor has the fact that 73 percent of Americans say that more needs to be done to curb gun violence, according to recent polling.

The ban on terrorists’ weapon of choice was only one of the areas in which Ms. Ardern showed what leadership looks like in time of crisis. In lieu of trite messages, she donned a black head scarf and led a group of politicians to visit victims’ families; speaking without a script to a school some of the victims attended, she urged the pupils to “let New Zealand be a place where there is no tolerance for racism. Ever.” She told grieving families, “We cannot know your grief, but we can walk with you at every stage.”

And in a striking gesture, she refused to utter the name of the suspected killer. “He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing,” she said. “Not even his name.”

After this and any such atrocity, the world’s leaders should unite in clearly condemning racism, sharing in the grief of the victims and stripping the haters of their weapons. Ms. Ardern has shown the way.

* I note that the Times doesn't mention his name in this article.

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#2203368 22-Mar-2019 13:43

They are us

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#2203375 22-Mar-2019 13:53

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Salam, peace

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2203383 22-Mar-2019 14:12

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215269

Auckland Dio reverses it's decision to prevent the wearing of Hijab by students.

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#2203384 22-Mar-2019 14:15

Just watched the prayers on TV1. Very moving and impressive. An excellent speech/sermon by the Imam. I truly hope this really does mark a turning point.

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#2203390 22-Mar-2019 14:27

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215269

Auckland Dio reverses it's decision to prevent the wearing of Hijab by students.

Good that they made a sensible decision. Incredibly dumb that they had to.

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#2203392 22-Mar-2019 14:31

Rikkitic:

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215269

Auckland Dio reverses it's decision to prevent the wearing of Hijab by students.

Good that they made a sensible decision. Incredibly dumb that they had to.

I don't subscribe to the generally militant view that anyone who would make this decision is automatically evil. It's back to my comments on thoughtlessness.

I'd like to think, that they did the right thing in the end and possibly, and hopefully learned from it, so next time they will handle it better.

People are human, they make mistakes, even bad ones sometimes, not everything has to be about horrifically punishing every mistake.

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#2203393 22-Mar-2019 14:32

freitasm:

I have removed all reference to the name ********* from this topic. Anyone evading this by posting the name in any other form will be banned.

@freitasm In case you didn't see my reply earlier, what name have you removed?

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#2203394 22-Mar-2019 14:34

The name of the accused in the Christchurch Mosque attacks.

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