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#2216430 13-Apr-2019 12:33

Rikkitic:

This is cool. The Pakistanis (and other Muslims) have responded so much better than some in the West did.

This is in contrast to people who spew hate - even when Muslims are the victims.

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#2219804 17-Apr-2019 12:21

Not the best place to put this but the gun thread is gone. This to me illustrates perfectly why every gun that can be banned, should be. Forget the BS about 'responsible owners' being penalised and the rest of that crap. People like this need to be shut down. Permanently. If they want to play cowboys, let them use squirt guns.

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#2219994 17-Apr-2019 15:44

Rikkitic:
Not the best place to put this but the gun thread is gone. This to me illustrates perfectly why every gun that can be banned, should be. Forget the BS about 'responsible owners' being penalised and the rest of that crap. People like this need to be shut down. Permanently. If they want to play cowboys, let them use squirt guns.

Different topic kind of. People that can't be bothered tidying up after themselves are not responsible to start with. Looks like several people involved need a littering and stream pollution fine for that mess.

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#2220000 17-Apr-2019 15:57

New York Times - Opinion
Is This the End of the Line for Nationalism in Australia?

If this political moment lasts, the country’s conservative movement could be transformed.
By Waleed Aly

MELBOURNE, Australia — Just two months ago, Australia seemed destined for what the country’s commentariat calls a “Tampa” election. That’s local shorthand for a campaign characterized by race baiting and scare tactics about refugees — a term derived from the 2001 election a few months after the government of Prime Minister John Howard ordered special forces to board a Norwegian freight ship called the MV Tampa, carrying more than 400 rescued refugees, to prevent it from reaching Australia.

A new law that allows refugees on Nauru and Manus Island to come to Australia for necessary medical treatment promised to put refugees front and center in the upcoming general election, scheduled for May 18.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his coalition government saw this legislation passed against their will. They had railed against it, warning that the law would allow “rapists” and “pedophiles” into Australia. An opinion poll around that time showed a significant bounce for the government.

How long ago that seems. In the wake of the Christchurch, New Zealand, terrorist attack on Muslims last month, the Morrison government now finds itself under pressure over issues that recently appeared to give it an advantage.

For the moment, this takes the form of relentless questioning about where the government plans to place the far-right, nationalist One Nation party on its “how to vote” cards in the election. Those cards, which are a consequence of Australia’s preferential voting system in which voters list all candidates on the ballot in order of preference, are often a matter of political gaming, designed to maximize a party’s likelihood of success. Normally, they’re of interest only to political buffs.

But every now and again, they come to be read as a declaration of ideological affinity and become a mainstream issue. This is the case following the horror in New Zealand, given One Nation’s history of racist politics, recently expressed in its leader’s declaration that “Islam is a disease; we need to vaccinate ourselves against that.”

Will the government pledge to put One Nation last on its voting card?

The question has dogged the government — becoming a staple of news conferences and interviews with parliamentarians — because the government hasn’t provided a straightforward answer. After some hemming and hawing, there is still disagreement within the government about what to do.

The whole question has arisen for the governing coalition because it flirts with these kinds of politics.

One of its members spoke at a far-right, anti-Muslim Reclaim Australia rally in 2015. Earlier that year, Tony Abbott, then the prime minister, suggested that Muslim leaders were insincere when they said Islam was a religion of peace.

Indeed, such was the hostility of numerous parliamentarians’ rhetoric toward Islam that the head of Australia’s top intelligence organization advised them to moderate their language.

Perhaps the government’s most committed member on this score is the Home Affairs minister, Peter Dutton, who recently asserted that people in Melbourne were “scared” to go to restaurants at night because of an epidemic of African gang violence — a supposed epidemic that even the state of Victoria, where Melbourne is located, says is overblown “hysteria.”

By contrast, Mr. Dutton has argued that Australia should give “special attention” to white South African farmers, whom he regards as especially persecuted. He says they would “abide by our laws, integrate into our society, work hard, not lead a life on welfare.” He is not the only politician expressing these sorts of views.

In October, senators voted in favor of a One Nation motion incorporating the white supremacist slogan “It’s O.K. to be white.” The government later blamed an administrative error for the vote, after having initially trumpeted the move as evidence of its opposition to “racism of any kind.”

The kindest interpretation of all this is that the coalition has been sloppy and inattentive to the problem of extremism, even under the previous prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, who would frequently celebrate Australia’s success as a multicultural country, and contend that those peddling Islamophobia were helping the Islamic State.

A more likely interpretation is that several of the coalition’s members are prepared to play the politics of race, either cynically or as a matter of conviction, and that the rising prominence of One Nation has emboldened them. And given that the government’s natural areas of political strength are around the issue of border protection (especially asylum-seeker policy) and national security, there is every reason to suspect that the coalition profits when politics skirts xenophobic themes.

But the visceral reality of Christchurch has recast much of our politics in new light: not as straight-talking honesty about the threat of Islamism, but as contributing to a more polarized, extremist environment.

Polling in the aftermath of Christchurch found that a remarkable 63 percent of Australians agreed that “white extremism is every bit as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalism,” while 42 percent agreed that politicians “have deliberately stirred up anti-Islamic sentiment as a way of getting votes.”

What was once a benefit has become a liability. What was once populist is eroding the government’s political capital. It is perhaps for this reason that we’ve seen the government pivot to an economic message, based mostly on the virtues of tax cuts. The Tampa route to retaining power seems to be shut off.

There’s no guarantee this political moment will last. But if it does, it could be a truly transformative one for Australian conservative politics.

Since at least the 1990s, Australian conservatism has offered a highly successful, if philosophically incongruent mix of free-market liberalism and increasingly strident cultural nationalism. But slowly these pillars have begun to erode.

As in much of the world, economic liberalism is losing some of its luster in Australia. But perhaps more so than elsewhere, nationalist anti-immigrant politics is running aground, too. The times would seem to demand a renewed Australian conservatism, attentive to economic and social inequality, and comfortable enough with cultural diversity to search for political capital elsewhere.

Waleed Aly is a columnist and broadcaster and a politics lecturer at Monash University in Melbourne.

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#2222379 22-Apr-2019 20:30

This may seem OT but it struck a chord with me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/112197401/australian-pm-attacks-gutless-keyboard-warriors-who-mocked-his-christian-faith

Maybe Im wrong, but in the past we have seen slavery, racism, down trodden women, then suffrage, laws for equality of race, ethnicity and so on, but these days we seem to see more of this. We seem to be and should be embracing equality, and we do, but there also seems a backlash. The vocal minority. This article, white supremacy that we have seen here 5 weeks go, Trump. Whats going on??

Maybe its a right to express themselves, but its time to suppress some IMHO.

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#2222483 23-Apr-2019 07:33

tdgeek:

This may seem OT but it struck a chord with me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/112197401/australian-pm-attacks-gutless-keyboard-warriors-who-mocked-his-christian-faith

Maybe Im wrong, but in the past we have seen slavery, racism, down trodden women, then suffrage, laws for equality of race, ethnicity and so on, but these days we seem to see more of this. We seem to be and should be embracing equality, and we do, but there also seems a backlash. The vocal minority. This article, white supremacy that we have seen here 5 weeks go, Trump. Whats going on??

Maybe its a right to express themselves, but its time to suppress some IMHO.

It's a PR stunt.

He invited the press in to his (IMO) very weird happy-clappy evangelical church service knowing full well that it would provoke the reaction it did, then capitalises on it.

Not excusing the idiots on social media, or the fact that on balance, IMO the social media global corporations cause more harm than good.

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#2222484 23-Apr-2019 07:35

He wants the evangelical votes, he shows at evangelical churches. Pause campaign during Easter? Yeah, right.

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#2222485 23-Apr-2019 08:01

The reaction to sri Lanka is a little appalling.

A very large number of voiced commentators and social media judges are calling out Jacinda in a 'so where is she for this?' like she's the new mother teressa or something

A few have said she's doing things in her own country that was put on hold for 3 weeks. But dang.

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#2222487 23-Apr-2019 08:04

freitasm: He wants the evangelical votes, he shows at evangelical churches.

He actually is a Pentecostal christian. I'm not sure how he reconciles his beliefs with public comments he's made which seem to indicate that he's in favour of secular government.

Perhaps you're right, he might have copped some flack from members of his church for making statements which directly contradict their ideology. So the reason for his appearance at church - which he deliberately turned in to a PR event - might have been motivated by a wish to reassure his church that he hadn't abandoned them, in the unlikely event they wouldn't vote for him anyway.

The other notable Australian public figure who's also a Pentecostal is the detestable Israel Folau. Morrison has to distance himself from that debacle, but not lose pentacostal votes. Damned good reason to not trust him, OTOH there are far worse than him in conservative politics in Aus.

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#2222488 23-Apr-2019 08:05

She put herself out there for our country. She is not required to do it for every country. They have their own head of state.

Like this UK conservative who posted on Twitter if the PM was going to roll bells around the country.

Some people...

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#2222490 23-Apr-2019 08:11

Oblivian: The reaction to sri Lanka is a little appalling.

A very large number of voiced commentators and social media judges are calling out Jacinda in a 'so where is she for this?' like she's the new mother teressa or something

A few have said she's doing things in her own country that was put on hold for 3 weeks. But dang.

Yeah - bigots are going to bigot. That vile, intolerant and evil person who you refer to knows that mainstream media will follow up and report on the storms she creates on twitter. When reporting stuff taken from social media re-tweets by embedding the twitter threads in online news articles, mainstream media IMO risks dragging people in to the web of evil. I wish they'd stop doing that - and treat social media as the commercial enemy and threat to mainstream media that it really is.

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#2222492 23-Apr-2019 08:14

Oblivian: The reaction to sri Lanka is a little appalling.

A very large number of voiced commentators and social media judges are calling out Jacinda in a 'so where is she for this?' like she's the new mother teressa or something

A few have said she's doing things in her own country that was put on hold for 3 weeks. But dang.

I can only see one, outspoken, attention seeking, reality star wannabee, Katie Hopkins.

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#2222528 23-Apr-2019 08:43

tdgeek:
Oblivian: The reaction to sri Lanka is a little appalling.

A very large number of voiced commentators and social media judges are calling out Jacinda in a 'so where is she for this?' like she's the new mother teressa or something

A few have said she's doing things in her own country that was put on hold for 3 weeks. But dang.

I can only see one, outspoken, attention seeking, reality star wannabee, Katie Hopkins.

There's more. A bloke graced my screen as I scrolled yesterday due to an association commenting on it. The viral way it does and all.
Backed up by many many Australian and world followers of the public page denouncing her local actions as false since they don't extend further.

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#2223119 24-Apr-2019 11:02

BLOOD FOR BLOOD Sri Lanka reveals attacks that killed 310 were ‘revenge’ for New Zealand white supremacist massacre

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8918455/sri-lanka-attacks-revenge-new-zealand-mosque-shooting/

Now they are related...

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#2223124 24-Apr-2019 11:08

The Sun (and Washington Post) say that but their own people say it's nothing they can comment on.

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