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GV27

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#1965671 28-Feb-2018 11:23

happyfunball:

Is there a supply shortage of new EV's? I thought it was low volume due to high prices?

I know Nissan stopped selling the NZ-new Leaf here because nobody was buying them at 60K when you could get a used post-Japanese subsidy one for half the price. It seems all the EV's sold here are in the 60k range which surely dampens the demand quite a bit.

The Nissan Leaf sells well in countries with an EV subsidy, so I don't think there is any supply shortage.

Again, can someone explain to me why we should take taxpayer money that could go towards upgrading PT infrastructure and give it to people who are able to afford new cars.

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#1965694 28-Feb-2018 11:39

happyfunball:

Is there a supply shortage of new EV's? I thought it was low volume due to high prices?

I know Nissan stopped selling the NZ-new Leaf here because nobody was buying them at 60K when you could get a used post-Japanese subsidy one for half the price. It seems all the EV's sold here are in the 60k range which surely dampens the demand quite a bit.

The Nissan Leaf sells well in countries with an EV subsidy, so I don't think there is any supply shortage.

For new cars supply is limited.

2 - 18 months for a Tesla 3 (or six figures for an S or X)

Nissan are talking about bringing the Leaf back into the NZ market in 2019

Hyundai I'm unsure.

Using the Leaf as an example Nissan recently passed 300,000 in total sales. Compare that to >1,000,000 vehicles that Nissan sells in good year in the US.

Given how mechanically simple EVs are, they should be easier/faster/cheaper to produce. Many states do subsidise them (Inc NZ via RUC exemptions).

So what's the hold up?

Mike

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#1965774 28-Feb-2018 12:24

GV27:

happyfunball:

Is there a supply shortage of new EV's? I thought it was low volume due to high prices?

I know Nissan stopped selling the NZ-new Leaf here because nobody was buying them at 60K when you could get a used post-Japanese subsidy one for half the price. It seems all the EV's sold here are in the 60k range which surely dampens the demand quite a bit.

The Nissan Leaf sells well in countries with an EV subsidy, so I don't think there is any supply shortage.

Again, can someone explain to me why we should take taxpayer money that could go towards upgrading PT infrastructure and give it to people who are able to afford new cars.

I know.

EVs are still cars, they still need parking spaces, they still cause traffic congestion and they still add to a trend of making us all fat.

Better PT would get a lot of cars off the road.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

GV27

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#1965790 28-Feb-2018 12:36

elpenguino:

I know.

EVs are still cars, they still need parking spaces, they still cause traffic congestion and they still add to a trend of making us all fat.

Better PT would get a lot of cars off the road.

EVs are also still going through some pretty fundamental development (gearboxes etc) so spending a huge amount to subsidise a first-gen product seems like short-sighted thinking.

Check out the type of gains being made in drivetrains:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/02/20180227-sph.html

We still haven't seen any fundamental changes in battery tech or rapid charging, although hopefully they will be within the next five years. I didn't buy an EV when I replaced a car last year but I would consider it over that time frame.

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