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#2970382 20-Sep-2022 09:58

SJB:

Some of them were invited and National would have sent roughly the same.

When we spend millions on a completely irrelevant flag referendum or $3 million trying to sell a government policy on water, the hundreds of thousands spent on this is a drop in the ocean.

It's not a slight on Labour, it's a slight on unnecessary spending.

We have an opera singer going! She can afford to pay for herself if she wishes to attend!

Every bit of spending is justified as a drop in the ocean...

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#2970384 20-Sep-2022 10:03

SJB:

Some of them were invited and National would have sent roughly the same.

When we spend millions on a completely irrelevant flag referendum or $3 million trying to sell a government policy on water, the hundreds of thousands spent on this is a drop in the ocean.

People are still banging on about the flag referendum? Unless you seriously believe the government should have just unilaterally changed the flag without giving the public a vote, then there was always going to a postal cost for at least one referendum.

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#2970386 20-Sep-2022 10:06

GV27:

People are still banging on about the flag referendum? Unless you seriously believe the government should have just unilaterally changed the flag without giving the public a vote, then there was always going to a postal cost for at least one referendum.

I am a fan of the Queen and her contribution to NZ, and believe a celebration of her life is appropriate, but the Flag Referendum was likely to have longer laster effects on NZ than the Queen's funeral depending on how it turned out, given it's a key part of how we identify.

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#2970470 20-Sep-2022 12:54

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935457/grant-robertson-defends-labour-mp-anna-lorck-against-bullying-allegations-says-her-particular-management-style-needs-work

Surely there are eminently qualified people to do this job who don't need to learn the basics of the right way to treat people?

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#2970479 20-Sep-2022 13:36

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nanaia-mahutas-husbands-firm-awarded-contracts-kainga-ora-now-third-government-agency-to-review-process/IPTTBUZ5DWTNMRWQ6IQCEXG6IM/

Woods said "this was an error" as Kāinga Ora has a policy that requires its employees and contractors to declare actual or perceived conflicts of interest. She said the agency has since improved guidance around these requirements.

Woods previously said that "a verbal conflict of interest was declared" when the contract was initiated, however that statement was corrected late last week with the clarification that no "formal" conflicts, written or verbal, were declared.

The Kāinga Ora review is internal and expected to be complete by late November, an agency spokesman confirmed.

So so dumb. I bet this results in nothing more than a slap with a wet bus ticket, if even that.

If this was a National MP, the left would be screaming bloody murder!

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#2970506 20-Sep-2022 14:39

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935457/grant-robertson-defends-labour-mp-anna-lorck-against-bullying-allegations-says-her-particular-management-style-needs-work

Surely there are eminently qualified people to do this job who don't need to learn the basics of the right way to treat people?

Sam Uffendel, no doubt.

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#2970508 20-Sep-2022 14:45

networkn:

So so dumb. I bet this results in nothing more than a slap with a wet bus ticket, if even that.

If this was a National MP, the left would be screaming bloody murder!

There is such a thing as critical mass, as in when a nuclear bomb explodes. Anyone who complains as much and as loudly as you do about this government, and progressive politics in general, really needs to run for political office. Either that, or take up another hobby. If you are a candidate, at least we can throw eggs at you. Anything is better than the endless litany of complaints and superior wisdom after the fact.

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#2970554 20-Sep-2022 16:30

Rikkitic:

There is such a thing as critical mass, as in when a nuclear bomb explodes. Anyone who complains as much and as loudly as you do about this government, and progressive politics in general, really needs to run for political office. Either that, or take up another hobby. If you are a candidate, at least we can throw eggs at you. Anything is better than the endless litany of complaints and superior wisdom after the fact.

I find it interesting that instead of addressing the actual issue, you've chosen to attack me instead. It happens a lot.

You'll be running too? After all your endless criticism and sniping at the National Government (and conservative Governments in general), it seems the only appropriate action.

I can't run, I am sure I've made a mistake or two in my 44 years, and since political candidates aren't allowed to make or have made mistakes, it rules me out.

I'm only asking them to do what they PROMISED to do! If you have a problem with that, perhaps talk to the PM about it.

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#2970583 20-Sep-2022 17:32

Rikkitic:

networkn:

So so dumb. I bet this results in nothing more than a slap with a wet bus ticket, if even that.

If this was a National MP, the left would be screaming bloody murder!

There is such a thing as critical mass, as in when a nuclear bomb explodes. Anyone who complains as much and as loudly as you do about this government, and progressive politics in general, really needs to run for political office. Either that, or take up another hobby. If you are a candidate, at least we can throw eggs at you. Anything is better than the endless litany of complaints and superior wisdom after the fact.

I agree. If this is to be a discussion forum then a different style of engagement would stop this becoming a one person thread.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2970588 20-Sep-2022 17:54

networkn:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935457/grant-robertson-defends-labour-mp-anna-lorck-against-bullying-allegations-says-her-particular-management-style-needs-work

Surely there are eminently qualified people to do this job who don't need to learn the basics of the right way to treat people?

No doubt. On the other hand Lorck has publicly acknowledged the issue and now made a public commitment to do better. Electorate MP so now it's up to the people of Tukituki at the next candidate selection or general election.

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#2970590 20-Sep-2022 17:58

networkn: So so dumb. I bet this results in nothing more than a slap with a wet bus ticket, if even that.

Paywall on that article.

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#2970594 20-Sep-2022 18:11

Rikkitic:

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129935457/grant-robertson-defends-labour-mp-anna-lorck-against-bullying-allegations-says-her-particular-management-style-needs-work

Surely there are eminently qualified people to do this job who don't need to learn the basics of the right way to treat people?

Sam Uffendel, no doubt.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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#2970802 21-Sep-2022 09:14

elpenguino:

I agree. If this is to be a discussion forum then a different style of engagement would stop this becoming a one person thread.

Equally, if people supporting the left were less defensive, they would be more open to considering the criticism that gets directed the Governments way.

95% of the responses don't address the criticism at all, just attack the poster.

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#2970812 21-Sep-2022 09:37

Yea there's not much discussion to be had if the default response to any complaint about the government not even meeting the standards they set for themselves is "Get over it" then why even have a discussion forum.

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#2970827 21-Sep-2022 10:21

There is plenty to criticise this government on, but the outraged (and sometimes superior) tone that usually accompanies this from the right is not helpful. Also not helpful is dishing up examples of government failings as a response whenever anyone criticises the right. Accordingly, most discussions here get reduced to toddler arguments along the lines of 'he hit me first'.

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