Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3197472 19-Feb-2024 12:55

I'm also very curious to hear GZ thoughts on some of the allegations made by Winston P against MSM that they are 'compromised'.

I couldn't find any concrete evidence other than literally every single interview/articles stories in the last few months has been govt bashing (for some of the bashings, the govt deserves it rightly so).

Almost all of 1News hates current govt, to a point that they are not even taking it easy and not very subtle about this.

Every story from Jenna Lynch and their likes all seem to have very strong bias towards anything anti-coalition, almost feels like they really want to initiate another election somehow.

One of the very few exceptions I've noticed is Jack Tame and his Q&A.

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#3197474 19-Feb-2024 13:00

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I'm also very curious to hear GZ thoughts on some of the allegations made by Winston P against MSM that they are 'compromised'.

Eh, both camps have legitimate arguments to say the mainstream media is biased. For example, in the lead up to the election there were ram-raid stories twelve times a day. The day after the election ... *crickets*. Did the ram-raiders all stop in fear of Mark Mitchell? Of course not. When National scoffed at the Hipkins government's extension of the fog cannon subsidy scheme did the media remember to point out that the fog cannon subsidy scheme was a Key government initiative because guess what problem we had in 2016? Of course not.

I'm sure someone else can think of a dozen examples of the mainstream media being biased against National instead.

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#3197476 19-Feb-2024 13:09

Good points there SaltyNZ, you are right about ram raid stories- up until now, I honestly forgot about them and now very curious if the raids truly reduced and if not, why no reports on these as looking at the current trend, MSM would love to report that ram-raids are still prevalent.

Do you think current govt is 'far' right though? National always been center right, NZF you can say currently more right but historically, they could be reasonably left as well - ACT of course seems strongly right despite them claiming they are doing what is best for 99.9% of the common Maori and not catering towards the elite ones.

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#3197479 19-Feb-2024 13:14

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Good points there SaltyNZ, you are right about ram raid stories- up until now, I honestly forgot about them and now very curious if the raids truly reduced and if not, why no reports on these as looking at the current trend, MSM would love to report that ram-raids are still prevalent.

Do you think current govt is 'far' right though? National always been center right, NZF you can say currently more right but historically, they could be reasonably left as well - ACT of course seems strongly right despite them claiming they are doing what is best for 99.9% of the common Maori and not catering towards the elite ones.

I don't believe for a second that National would be doing half this dumb **** if it wasn't for NZF and ACT. Luxon wanted to be Prime Minister so badly he was willing to sell his soul to Seymour to get it. Certainly the Key government wouldn't do this stuff. The He Puapua report that the Ardern government commissioned - and which this government is on a witch hunt about - was an obligation after the Key government signed up to the UNDRIP. Which is another thing this government wants to kill.

I'm not a right winger by any means, obviously, but the Key government was nothing like this one.

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#3197488 19-Feb-2024 14:15

thinkingtrex8848:

I'm also very curious to hear GZ thoughts on some of the allegations made by Winston P against MSM that they are 'compromised'.

My opinion is this is Winston making a token acknowledgement of the far-right nutjobs that voted him into office and saying what they want to hear.

I personally haven't heard Luxon or Seymour say anything similar, but Winston pops up with his assessment reasonably frequently. Then again, even before coronavirus and the far right nutjobs poking their head above the surface, he'd always had a reasonably combative relationship with the media. Coronavirus, etc just made it more prominent for him.

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#3197490 19-Feb-2024 14:21

SaltyNZ:

I'm sure someone else can think of a dozen examples of the mainstream media being biased against National instead.

I mean yes, we probably can, but there's zero chance Winston will quote them with substance because ultimately he has to put his brand on this for him to benefit from it. So I doubt Winston's comments are coming from a place of genuine concern about the integrity of the fourth estate, even if there may be a decent argument to be made on a vaguely related topic.

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#3197494 19-Feb-2024 14:33

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In the 9 years everything went backwards due to neglect. Same has applied to other previous Governments. While 2017 onwards had a couple of "issues", its got to a breaking point where there are accurate claims that we have a lot of things to fix, and arguably its too late due to the time and cost of catchups. Take Kiwibuild as one example. Great idea, but it was too late as housing had already gone past the tipping point of affordability. Now we need more schools more teachers more hospitals more medical professions more infrastructure in Auckland AND elsewhere. None of this will happen, aside from tickling the edges in election campaigns

Sorry, can we just circle back to "Kiwibuild was a 'great idea' that just didn't work" because housing went past some magical point of no return?

Kiwibuild was rubbish. It was a slogan posing as policy and it was thoroughly unworkable. It remains one of the biggest political bait-and-switches that NZ has ever seen. Labour were challenged on costings, insisted they were realistic until they were blue in the face and then had to admit they were out of date once they'd won the election and they were in a position of having to do something.

Which finally bought Kiwibuild prices back to the same level as the balloted Axis builds that were being delivered through the Axis program under the HLC and due to be rolled out at the Northcote development. So all that energy, time, effort and what did we have to show for it? A change of government.

I guess in that way, it was incredibly effective. It achieved the one thing that it was ever going to realistically do. And the Minister who oversaw the whole while it went backwards got promoted up the party list.

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#3197495 19-Feb-2024 14:35

Apparently Mihirangi Forbes (previously Joanne Forbes) /Aotearoa Collective despite accusing Seymour publicly of accepting bribes from Illuminati type right wing groups, her media company accepted funds from previous govt in millions, appointed by Willy Jackson or something like that. I watched a youtube video on this but cannot remember more details but RNZ, Aoteroa Collective and lot of TV1 are fairly reliant on previous govt's funding initiatives and getting nervous about their funding running out this year which is understandable why they are getting a little antsy.

I get why this current govt's anti maori and anti woke policies should be publicly criticised, but if MSM doesn't do it in a subtle way, common folks are just going to get frustrated and start to believe MSM is clearly funded by the Left(even though this isn't true).

Luxon's robotic answers are not helping media's loaded questions, I'm expecting Luxon to break and have a go back at the media questions especially the likes of Jenny Lynch.

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#3197502 19-Feb-2024 14:56

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Sorry, can we just circle back to "Kiwibuild was a 'great idea' that just didn't work" because housing went past some magical point of no return?

Kiwibuild was rubbish. It was a slogan posing as policy and it was thoroughly unworkable. It remains one of the biggest political bait-and-switches that NZ has ever seen. Labour were challenged on costings, insisted they were realistic until they were blue in the face and then had to admit they were out of date once they'd won the election and they were in a position of having to do something.

Which finally bought Kiwibuild prices back to the same level as the balloted Axis builds that were being delivered through the Axis program under the HLC and due to be rolled out at the Northcote development. So all that energy, time, effort and what did we have to show for it? A change of government.

I guess in that way, it was incredibly effective. It achieved the one thing that it was ever going to realistically do. And the Minister who oversaw the whole while it went backwards got promoted up the party list.

It was a slogan posing as policy and it was thoroughly unworkable. It remains one of the biggest political bait-and-switches that NZ has ever seen.

You're referring to Kiwibuild, or the Tax Cuts, or both :-) Like Tax Cuts is a slogan that was unworkable, and like Tax Cuts it did the job, got the votes. It was a great idea, but as I said, and you indirecty agree, it was too late as house prices already too high

Like the recent flagship policy, Tax Cuts Policy, that also won't be delivered.

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#3197553 19-Feb-2024 15:09

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Like the recent flagship policy, Tax Cuts Policy, that also won't be delivered.

Technically, even a 0.01 tax cut is still a tax cut.

Same technicality applied, Labour should have just said we will build "lots of houses" and not promise 100,000 like their slogan.

I think Labour had best intentions, but the delivery of their policies could have used some more thought.

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#3197555 19-Feb-2024 15:13

If people really wanted more than $0.01 in tax cuts, they would simply get higher paying jobs.

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#3197556 19-Feb-2024 15:18

thinkingtrex8848:

tdgeek:

Like the recent flagship policy, Tax Cuts Policy, that also won't be delivered.

Technically, even a 0.01 tax cut is still a tax cut.

Same technicality applied, Labour should have just said we will build "lots of houses" and not promise 100,000 like their slogan.

I think Labour had best intentions, but the delivery of their policies could have used some more thought.

Technically, even a 0.01 tax cut is still a tax cut. You're not serious. The Tax Cuts are not 0.01 The myriad of figures quoted and the Tax Calculator support that. They are detailed as to what everyone gets, as is the means of funding

Kiwibuild, house prices and building was already too high. Then many of them were recycled existing builds. Why? Because builds were already too costly. Good idea but should have been done in previous Nat Govt and previous Lab govt

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#3197557 19-Feb-2024 15:19

SaltyNZ:
If people really wanted more than $0.01 in tax cuts, they would simply get higher paying jobs.

-- David Seymour

lol that made me laugh.. I imagined this in DS’s voice and his smirk

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#3197563 19-Feb-2024 15:23

MSM challenges both sides, and Winston Peters has a very contraversal history.
I have heard National supporters on right who have have very caustic view to Winston Peters.

Even the more right wing morning talkback Winston has had regular uncomplimentary commentary .

Has this changed since he became part of a National government?

When the alternative is Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones alikes , maybe MSM is not that bad :-)

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#3197564 19-Feb-2024 15:25

@TDGeek -

You are right, 0.01 isn’t good enough, that was a stupid comment from me.

But it is also too early to say that the promised tax calculator amounts are not going to be delivered. Luxon keep saying they’ve only just started.

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