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#1836801 3-Aug-2017 19:24

The thing is that there are the same questions that are asked of people who are different ages, which is potentially discriminating on age. For example Trump is in his 70's, but people were asking questions whether they are going to be able to stick around for 2 terms, and whether they are healthy enough to serve. Infact in the US election, didn't both candidates (who were both around 70) produce health certificates to show they were healthy. Yet people wouldn't dream of asking that, for someone who was in the 30's or 40's. This type of 'discrimination' occurs all the time. We seem to have many double standards over this sort of thing.

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#1836811 3-Aug-2017 19:34

mattwnz:

The thing is that there are the same questions that are asked of people who are different ages, which is potentially discriminating on age. For example Trump is in his 70's ..........

I think Trump is a great example of why political correctness should be pushed to one side in such senior and demanding positions. Our leaders should be expected to stand up to the most critical questions.

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#1836813 3-Aug-2017 19:40

Rikkitic:

I think you are sincere but I also think you are wrong. Women's biology has been used by men for centuries to excuse all kinds of 'well-intended' discrimination. Many women, especially those trying to be taken seriously, do experience this kind of thing as demeaning.

I don't wish to appear rude, but wonder if I have missed something in your numerous posts over the years? Are you a female Rikkitic? Just asking.

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#1836815 3-Aug-2017 19:49

DaveB:

"Demeaned because they bear children"? I have not seen your suggestion in the replies so far. What I do see is a relevant question of whether it is possible to fulfill a promised role (based on voter response) as 24 hour a day Leader of the Country as against a part time mother and part time leader. We are told time and time again that a role as "mother" (every child deserves a fulltime mother) is a 24 hour a day role!

Go ask John Key why he didn't fulfil his implied promise to serve out the term he was elected for. Instead his voters have been served up a warmed-over Bill English. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with being female.

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#1836816 3-Aug-2017 19:51

people are often accepting of discrimination when its not directed at them.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1836817 3-Aug-2017 19:52

DaveB:

Rikkitic:

I think you are sincere but I also think you are wrong. Women's biology has been used by men for centuries to excuse all kinds of 'well-intended' discrimination. Many women, especially those trying to be taken seriously, do experience this kind of thing as demeaning.

I don't wish to appear rude, but wonder if I have missed something in your numerous posts over the years? Are you a female Rikkitic? Just asking.

I also don't wish to appear rude but it is not relevant and it is none of your business.

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#1836823 3-Aug-2017 20:09

Rikkitic:

DaveB:

Rikkitic:

I think you are sincere but I also think you are wrong. Women's biology has been used by men for centuries to excuse all kinds of 'well-intended' discrimination. Many women, especially those trying to be taken seriously, do experience this kind of thing as demeaning.

I don't wish to appear rude, but wonder if I have missed something in your numerous posts over the years? Are you a female Rikkitic? Just asking.

I also don't wish to appear rude but it is not relevant and it is none of your business.

Fair enough .......... my wife was curious!

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#1836828 3-Aug-2017 20:18

Maybe your wide would like to contribute to this thread. I'm sure she would be more than welcome.

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#1836833 3-Aug-2017 20:22

Rikkitic:

Maybe your wide would like to contribute to this thread. I'm sure she would be more than welcome.

Thats a bit discriminatory don't you think? :-P

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#1836838 3-Aug-2017 20:35

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Rikkitic:

Maybe your wide would like to contribute to this thread. I'm sure she would be more than welcome.

Thats a bit discriminatory don't you think? :-P

Don't know how that happened. Just a typo. Usually I catch them in time. Apologies to DaveB's wife.

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#1836846 3-Aug-2017 20:57

MikeB4:

people are often accepting of discrimination when its not directed at them.

People can become accustomed to discrimination directed against them too. Low self-esteem and expectations and accepting that they're not cut out to "make it" in a competitive world.

It's a very big problem, one of the factors behind many social issues.

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#1836848 3-Aug-2017 21:12

Rikkitic:

Wiggum:

Rikkitic:

Maybe your wide would like to contribute to this thread. I'm sure she would be more than welcome.

Thats a bit discriminatory don't you think? :-P

Don't know how that happened. Just a typo. Usually I catch them in time. Apologies to DaveB's wife.

No apologies needed. We both need to lose weight, due in part to too much wine, cheese, salami and crackers!

My original support and re-question of a comment about sexual bias, motherhood, politics and commitment actually came from my wife as we discussed a couple of points raised in this thread. Yes, we do discuss some threads!

She has been both a fulltime and part-time mother as well as part owner and supporter of our two joint businesses. She knows better than I and, I suspect, more than many others that have either questioned or pre-supposed the question now being asked about work/mother/political balance.

I would rather accept her opinion of the difficulties involved rather than justify her view of which way she would vote long term, which are quite different from my own.

Edit ..... why do you need to feel that an apology is needed for an obvious typo?

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#1836851 3-Aug-2017 21:21

Rikkitic:

DaveB:

"Demeaned because they bear children"? I have not seen your suggestion in the replies so far. What I do see is a relevant question of whether it is possible to fulfill a promised role (based on voter response) as 24 hour a day Leader of the Country as against a part time mother and part time leader. We are told time and time again that a role as "mother" (every child deserves a fulltime mother) is a 24 hour a day role!

Go ask John Key why he didn't fulfil his implied promise to serve out the term he was elected for. Instead his voters have been served up a warmed-over Bill English. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with being female.

I was surprised when it happened, however, I did recall him saying earlier, before the last election that it would probably be his last. You have a very dim view of him handing off the leadership to someone else prior to the election, to give voters a chance to see what the new leadership looked like and how they coped. He isn't the most exciting guy in the world but he has an excellent grasp on policy, is well spoken, calm and has experience in finance and politics in general. I think he is a fine leader.

I have no issue with Key stepping down only 9 months from the election. I don't feel short changed. He led for nearly 9 years, through some of the most challenging times NZ has faced in it's history. He worked a lot of LONG hours and didn't get to spend anywhere near the amount of time he might otherwise have opted to, as a result of unexpected things. It takes a toll. His children were adults for at least some of those years, I can't imagine trying to do it with an infant or toddler.

Sorry you feel differently.

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#1836874 3-Aug-2017 22:08

I'm not sure I do feel differently. What I feel is that this applies to everyone across the board and Jacinda Ardern should not be seen any differently. Maybe she will also serve 9 years as PM and then decide to have a child in spite of her age then. No-one questioned Key at the time about his intention or ability to serve out his term and no-one should do that to her. It shouldn't be an issue at all. That is the only point I am trying to make.

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#1836876 3-Aug-2017 22:12

Rikkitic:

I'm not sure I do feel differently. What I feel is that this applies to everyone across the board and Jacinda Ardern should not be seen any differently. Maybe she will also serve 9 years as PM and then decide to have a child in spite of her age then. No-one questioned Key at the time about his intention or ability to serve out his term and no-one should do that to her. It shouldn't be an issue at all. That is the only point I am trying to make.

How do you know No-one did ?

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