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#3335905 26-Jan-2025 10:39

gehenna:

To be fair to the concept, and putting individuals like Elon aside (he didn't invent the concept, after all), it's not about tourism. At least not for the first decades or century. And if it is about billionaire tourism, I don't mind the idea that a bunch of billionaires are off world for a few years at a time.

Just as we learned a lot in the 60s when developing for the Moon, and afterwards when evolving that development from learnings on the Moon, real problems on Earth can be positively impacted from what we learn by progressing space science. There is value in the effort.

That's why I wrote tourism. I hardly believe that tourists gain groundbreaking knowledge during a Mars flight that could be of greater benefit to mankind. That would be like expecting my passengers to perfect i.e. hydrogen propulsion for the next generation of aeroplanes. 😉

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#3335906 26-Jan-2025 10:48

I know an engineer at Blue Origin, Bezos’ outfit. I asked him what the end game is for all the spend - tourism? Ego? His answer was no. The end game is strictly the commercial opportunities in space. For example manufacturing in zero gravity and the like. The costs are so high and the technical issues so great that exploiting resources on mars is well beyond our lifetimes.

They will never make any profit from tourism, billionaire or otherwise. That’s just marketing and publicity

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#3335908 26-Jan-2025 10:55

But you don't have to personally fly to Mars with all your might to carry out zero gravity research.

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#3335911 26-Jan-2025 11:05

Tinkerisk:

That's why I wrote tourism. I hardly believe that tourists gain groundbreaking knowledge during a Mars flight that could be of greater benefit to mankind. That would be like expecting my passengers to perfect i.e. hydrogen propulsion for the next generation of aeroplanes. 😉

I'm not sure why you're going all the way to the far end of the process, when we're still trying to build a rocket that'll get there in the first place. I think it's a non-issue since tourism can't happen until much, much later. Joe Bloggs with some cash to burn isn't going to strap himself to the front of a gigantic rocket for many long, isolated months, until there's a guarantee of safety. Until then, it'll be the domain of wealthy riskseekers (until one of them explodes) and those building the infrastructure. The century of R&D that goes into making it the level of safety and cost that makes tourism viable is where we benefit, not when we send a charter Greyhound rocket with 30 kids on a class trip to the Olympus Mons gift shop.

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#3335921 26-Jan-2025 11:54

I am not questioning the research, but only whether these research results still make sense when ‘the house is on fire’ on Earth. Wouldn't it be wiser to invest the resources in ‘fire extinguishers’?

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#3335925 26-Jan-2025 12:29

Considering how far science has advanced over the decades from the same approach, I'm pretty confident deferring to scientific method and to see resources put into it. The difference today is the imbalance of commercial funding that would have previously come from a government, but it's the same expertise working on it as would be if it was a nationalised programme instead. I think it's valid to wonder whether positive outcomes from new advancements will make their way to society if the funder sees commercial benefit in them, but that's aside from the evidence that ongoing consistent scientific method pushes humanity forward and improves health and other social outcomes along the way.

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#3336019 26-Jan-2025 17:21

He's so thin-skinned I bet he's absolutely beside himself about this one.

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#3336032 26-Jan-2025 18:48

Elon being real Elon amougst his friends at AFD.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inauguration-live-updates_n_678a8f36e4b097ab56976f5b/liveblog_67955b14e4b004a4bd33c698

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Elon Musk Says Germany Has Too Much ‘Focus On Past Guilt’
Fresh off his salute controversy, the world’s richest man spoke remotely to the far-right party Alternative for Germany and praised their momentum on Saturday.

“I think you are the best hope for Germany,” Musk told the crowd as he appeared by video feed. “Something that I think is just very important is that people take pride in Germany and being German.” He added that multiculturalism “dilutes everything.”
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#3336091 26-Jan-2025 19:47

ezbee:

He added that multiculturalism “dilutes everything.”

Doesn't ‘multiculturalism’ also include white South Africans or Swiss? Or the one from Austria back then?

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#3336102 26-Jan-2025 20:52

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/payforprecisioncvwriter_kickasscvs-criticalthinking-activity-7287782155101896704-Js9P

Classic case of deflection and whataboutism from this woman re the moron's Nazi salute right here. I had never heard of her (and her CV-designing company which she apparently runs) before tonight, and I kinda wish I hadn't.

Only upshot is Jason Gunn laughed at her ridiculous justification of what he did (she also defended Joe Rogan in the same post) and other people joined him in the fray, which made my evening somewhat better.

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#3336132 27-Jan-2025 07:09

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/musk-tells-germans-to-get-over-past-guilt-in-speech-to-far-right-afd-rally/ar-AA1xRHsc?cvid=9ab2690f657645c2cc2da86bd5a535be&ei=14

Elon Musk made a virtual appearance at a rally for the far-right Alternative for Germany party on Saturday, reiterating his support ahead of the country’s Feb. 23 election and telling the crowd that it’s time to “move on” from “past guilt.”

Yep, he's definitely a neo-Nazi supporter doing stupid crap like this. Hideous 😠