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#2540595 14-Aug-2020 00:11

nathan: Kamala is a strange pick, very polarizing choice.

I have not seen any polarisation around Harris. The opposite I think. Harris was elected as California Attorney General and to previous positions. Harris co-sponsored Sanders' Medicare For All bill in the senate. She's looking a lot like a future president.

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#2540631 14-Aug-2020 05:02

arcon:

nathan: A Biden/Harris ticket is effectively republican because they are so moderate

If I ran the DNC establishment, and didn't care about the Massive corporate donations greasing my wheels of power:

The DNC doesn't choose the nominee. The democratic voters do in the primaries, just like they did in 2016. But there's certainly no shortage of conspiracy theorists on the left who refuse to believe that everything isn't rigged and that they're not different from Trump supporters.

I do like Bernie's vision but politically he made so many misteps. Over-promising that not just medicare but everything can be funded such as education. And yeah, you don't say positive things about Cuba and China. Context doesn't matter - you don't say good things about totalitarian states during a @#$%ing election in a place like America.

Where do those voters get their information? MSNBC/CNN. Who do those voters wait for a nod from? Obama and his neoliberal project clan

If you think the DNC doesn't control who chooses the nominee, you weren't paying attention or you don't understand how their Primaries work.

That's not a conspiracy theory whatsoever. No powerful political establishment like that will ever allow someone to threaten their funding. They would rather stay in opposition, doing nothing except resistance theatre to keep collecting donor class money from Wall St & Silicon Valley.

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#2540632 14-Aug-2020 05:38

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nathan: Kamala is a strange pick, very polarizing choice.

I have not seen any polarisation around Harris. The opposite I think. Harris was elected as California Attorney General and to previous positions. Harris co-sponsored Sanders' Medicare For All bill in the senate. She's looking a lot like a future president.

locking up the poor, while allowing the rich to loot with impunity, is pretty polarizing

Kamala is meant to square the circle with the President, while being exciting but also ideologically predictable. She doesn't seem to have too many principles, but is one of the most transactional politicians in America

Kamala's (tiny) base is the affluent white suburbanites who were already definitely going to vote, and to vote for Biden, hard to see how this brings anything to the table, except a screw you to the left of the party

She's not going to excite young people, she's not going to excite younger people of color in particular - all the ones that voted for Sanders, and have nothing ideologically similar with Biden/Harris - they'll end up staying home or voting for Trump. Some will even be rightly offended that the Dem Establishment thinks you can take Kamala, with a trailblazing identity, but who has, throughout their career stood against any of the principles of the protest movement across America at the moment - that you would pick someone on the other side of that debate, is a kick in the face

She is fully bought into a corporatist neoliberal agenda, meanwhile a historic 2016 election soundly rejected such neoliberalism

The fact the Dem establishment would rather add Never-Trump Republicans and the Neocon Lincoln Project to their coalition, rather than young Progressives and people of color, should alarm anyone who thinks America is on the wrong track.

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#2540678 14-Aug-2020 08:49

nathan:

She is fully bought into a corporatist neoliberal agenda, meanwhile a historic 2016 election soundly rejected such neoliberalism

And look what they got instead:

An idiocracy modelled on Putin's Russia but lacking Putin's competence, a stack of probably well over 200,000 dead bodies thanks to the president and administration's abject mishandling of a pandemic, an economy that's going to be crippled by debt for decades, massive unemployment, and a "recovery package" that's focused primarily on preserving/increasing the wealth of the the wealthy. A justice system that's falling apart - facilitated by an attorney general who's sole function seems to be to prevent the POTUS from being prosecuted for crimes he's committing routinely. A new American monarchy, where the family of the leader are placed in positions of power and influence, the loyal are facilitated to loot and plunder. Critics and impartial accurate commentators have to hire private security firms to protect their families from death threats from so-called "patriots". Riots in cities inflamed by false flag operations whether by the administration or foreign influence, the response from the WH to people exercising a constitutional right to protest is to form an army - a private "goon squad" for the President to use against the people.

As for global geopolitics, increases to the military budget, abandoning long-standing treaties designed to prevent an apocalyptic global war, deterioration in US:China relations that's having no impact at all on Chinese hegemony - they're getting worse / bolder. Sabotage international agreements to mitigate global heating / climate change, destroy relations with "friendly" nations. Undermine international organisations as retaliation for criticism.

And lie, lie, lie - an unprecedented torrent of lies, facilitated by a "news" network that's acting as the president's propaganda arm, who kowtow to criticism by the POTUS, the POTUS attacking moderate mainstream media with fury.

And people like you fully buy-in to a wild delusion - the same "both sides" argument that the POTUS uses to praise fascist scum.

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#2540680 14-Aug-2020 08:53

nathan: Kamala's (tiny) base is the affluent white suburbanites who were already definitely going to vote, and to vote for Biden, hard to see how this brings anything to the table, except a screw you to the left of the party

Harris is the elected senator for California. That's bigger than a tiny base. Harris experienced school bussing in '69, and disturbing childhood experience of racism like any black person in America.

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#2540695 14-Aug-2020 09:08

nathan:

Where do those voters get their information? MSNBC/CNN. Who do those voters wait for a nod from? Obama and his neoliberal project clan

If you think the DNC doesn't control who chooses the nominee, you weren't paying attention or you don't understand how their Primaries work.

That's not a conspiracy theory whatsoever. No powerful political establishment like that will ever allow someone to threaten their funding. They would rather stay in opposition, doing nothing except resistance theatre to keep collecting donor class money from Wall St & Silicon Valley.

All networks gave Bernie and the fringe candidates a tonne of air time... but you'll never convince wild-eyed fanatics. Even CNN debates had a 1% polling threshold, compared to 3% here in New Zealand, and the media trashed Biden's performance in debates which shows how pathetic & wrong your theory is.

No one likes a sore loser who tries to take the intellectual high ground and claim everyone else is dumb for not being able to see everything is rigged. That's exactly what Trump did in 2016 when he was behind, and what he's said about this upcoming election...

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#2540790 14-Aug-2020 10:43

Unlike Trump, Kamala's reputation is of thick skin. She's known to be unfazed by trolls. Social media attacks seem to have no effect on her.

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#2540867 14-Aug-2020 11:05

kingdragonfly: Unlike Trump, Kamala's reputation is of thick skin. She's known to be unfazed by trolls. Social media attacks seem to have no effect on her.

She'll completely slaughter Pence in any VP debate. So the chance of Pence fronting up will be close to zero, which is a shame as I'd love to see it happen.

Would be more entertaining than Biden/Trump debates, unless you enjoy watching train wrecks.

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#2541034 14-Aug-2020 14:21

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#2541111 14-Aug-2020 15:33

Regarding Tara Reade, there are a lot of videos on YouTube about this issue. After watching many of them I believe her to be credible. I also think that the mainstream media in the USA are choosing to ignore the issue.
Then there are stories about the secret service warning female officers to avoid being alone with Biden. Also the famous clip of Jeff Sessions brushing away Biden’s hand from his grand daughter. In their eagerness to rid America of Trump a lot of compromises are being made.

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#2541129 14-Aug-2020 16:07

pvjones: Regarding Tara Reade, there are a lot of videos on YouTube about this issue. After watching many of them I believe her to be credible. I also think that the mainstream media in the USA are choosing to ignore the issue.
Then there are stories about the secret service warning female officers to avoid being alone with Biden. Also the famous clip of Jeff Sessions brushing away Biden’s hand from his grand daughter. In their eagerness to rid America of Trump a lot of compromises are being made.

You do realise that she's lied repeatedly under oath - as per the link I posted. No - I don't believe her to be credible.

There are all kinds of sensational videos on Youtube etc, purporting to show Biden behaving inappropriately. Many of them have been debunked by Snopes etc, some are blatant forgeries (there's one that's a doctored version of "Biden" holding and kissing a young girl - it's actually Obrador from Mexico, but never mind, in some people's minds Biden's a paedophile anyway)

If the USA don't want a rapey abuser of women as president, then voting against Trump would be a damned fine way to start.

What you're seeing is "projection". Falsely accusing an opponent of doing something you do yourself. I'm probably not going to change your views - you're well down a wormhole.

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#2541136 14-Aug-2020 16:28

Fred99:
pvjones: Regarding Tara Reade, there are a lot of videos on YouTube about this issue. After watching many of them I believe her to be credible. I also think that the mainstream media in the USA are choosing to ignore the issue.
Then there are stories about the secret service warning female officers to avoid being alone with Biden. Also the famous clip of Jeff Sessions brushing away Biden’s hand from his grand daughter. In their eagerness to rid America of Trump a lot of compromises are being made.

You do realise that she's lied repeatedly under oath - as per the link I posted. No - I don't believe her to be credible.

There are all kinds of sensational videos on Youtube etc, purporting to show Biden behaving inappropriately. Many of them have been debunked by Snopes etc, some are blatant forgeries (there's one that's a doctored version of "Biden" holding and kissing a young girl - it's actually Obrador from Mexico, but never mind, in some people's minds Biden's a paedophile anyway)

If the USA don't want a rapey abuser of women as president, then voting against Trump would be a damned fine way to start.

What you're seeing is "projection". Falsely accusing an opponent of doing something you do yourself. I'm probably not going to change your views - you're well down a wormhole.

There are plenty of balanced non sensational videos on YouTube about Tara Reade. There are next to none videos on the topic from mainstream media. Are you saying that the videos of Biden hair sniffing & the one with Jeff Sessions are faked? The fact that Sessions acted instantly suggests he was expecting Biden to do something inappropriate. All I am saying that Biden may be guilty of behaviour similar to Bill Clinton & Monica L. Abuse by powerful men who believe they can get away it.

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#2541158 14-Aug-2020 17:06

pvjones:

There are plenty of balanced non sensational videos on YouTube about Tara Reade. There are next to none videos on the topic from mainstream media. Are you saying that the videos of Biden hair sniffing & the one with Jeff Sessions are faked? The fact that Sessions acted instantly suggests he was expecting Biden to do something inappropriate. All I am saying that Biden may be guilty of behaviour similar to Bill Clinton & Monica L. Abuse by powerful men who believe they can get away it.

Paedophiles don't sexually assault children in public, so you and the other conspiracy theorists are dreaming.

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#2541212 14-Aug-2020 17:40

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And look what they got instead:

An idiocracy modelled on Putin's Russia but lacking Putin's competence, a stack of probably well over 200,000 dead bodies thanks to the president and administration's abject mishandling of a pandemic, an economy that's going to be crippled by debt for decades, massive unemployment, and a "recovery package" that's focused primarily on preserving/increasing the wealth of the the wealthy. A justice system that's falling apart - facilitated by an attorney general who's sole function seems to be to prevent the POTUS from being prosecuted for crimes he's committing routinely. A new American monarchy, where the family of the leader are placed in positions of power and influence, the loyal are facilitated to loot and plunder. Critics and impartial accurate commentators have to hire private security firms to protect their families from death threats from so-called "patriots". Riots in cities inflamed by false flag operations whether by the administration or foreign influence, the response from the WH to people exercising a constitutional right to protest is to form an army - a private "goon squad" for the President to use against the people.

As for global geopolitics, increases to the military budget, abandoning long-standing treaties designed to prevent an apocalyptic global war, deterioration in US:China relations that's having no impact at all on Chinese hegemony - they're getting worse / bolder. Sabotage international agreements to mitigate global heating / climate change, destroy relations with "friendly" nations. Undermine international organisations as retaliation for criticism.

And lie, lie, lie - an unprecedented torrent of lies, facilitated by a "news" network that's acting as the president's propaganda arm, who kowtow to criticism by the POTUS, the POTUS attacking moderate mainstream media with fury.

And people like you fully buy-in to a wild delusion - the same "both sides" argument that the POTUS uses to praise fascist scum.

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#2541312 14-Aug-2020 19:57

Trump and Fox Struggle to Attack Sen. Kamala Harris: A Closer Look

Late Night with Seth Meyers

Seth takes a closer look at President Trump and his allies straining to come up with ridiculous ways to attack Sen. Kamala Harris after her first public appearance as Joe Biden’s running mate yesterday.

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