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#2220551 18-Apr-2019 13:01

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GV27:

I suspect the people who have been let down by the failure to deliver key campaign promises would disagree with the 'inspirational' bit.

CGT has been delivered. It turns out its not wanted here, so she has run with that conclusion. Others, yes, not everything has been delivered by today, some wont achieve full delivery. But I'd rather try and not achieve, than sit on hands for 9 years, and let issues slowly grow year on year. That someone now has to solve over the next many years, by whatever Govts will hold the purse strings over time.

I guess it looks a bit worse if you've hyped your leadership up on the basis of transformational change, delivery and inter-generational equity.

Her words, not mine.

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#2220555 18-Apr-2019 13:13

GV27:

tdgeek:

GV27:

I suspect the people who have been let down by the failure to deliver key campaign promises would disagree with the 'inspirational' bit.

CGT has been delivered. It turns out its not wanted here, so she has run with that conclusion. Others, yes, not everything has been delivered by today, some wont achieve full delivery. But I'd rather try and not achieve, than sit on hands for 9 years, and let issues slowly grow year on year. That someone now has to solve over the next many years, by whatever Govts will hold the purse strings over time.

I guess it looks a bit worse if you've hyped your leadership up on the basis of transformational change, delivery and inter-generational equity.

Her words, not mine.

Lets see where it comes out over the next 1.5 years and 4.5 years. Is it great? No, a long way from great. But its better than nothing. And part of their challenge is catchup from whats been left behind, and while that will be disagreed with, its reality. Well, depending on where you sit and what sector you work or live in . This Govt didnt walk in where things were rosy and everyone was well catered for. There were holes, big holes. There is never enough funds to do what we all want at the best of times, let alone when there are holes inherited

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#2220585 18-Apr-2019 13:33

People who keep looking for things to bash Jacinda Ardern with just look lamer and lamer. Another view might be that it took courage and leadership to just flat-out admit that she can't bring it together in spite of her best efforts and it is time to move on. I can't think of many other leaders who have done something like that without dancing all over the place first.

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#2220587 18-Apr-2019 13:38

Rikkitic:

People who keep looking for things to bash Jacinda Ardern with just look lamer and lamer. Another view might be that it took courage and leadership to just flat-out admit that she can't bring it together in spite of her best efforts and it is time to move on. I can't think of many other leaders who have done something like that without dancing all over the place first.

IMO most leaders potter away with stuff, being careful to not go near stuff that may affect their vote. This is why things just meander away generally. No one has the balls to get stuck in. She has shown she is not shy. CGT is needed in some form, to go there was a risk. Its rare forfor a politician to do whats right even though its a risk. That shows leadership courage.

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#2220636 18-Apr-2019 14:24

I think a majority believe CGT is required to even out the tax system and there is good support for it. The fact remains that it's a difficult problem in NZ and looks like not enough thought into solving all aspects this time around. One step closer anyway. Not that I've read the working group report.

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#2220644 18-Apr-2019 14:37

Rikkitic:

People who keep looking for things to bash Jacinda Ardern with just look lamer and lamer. Another view might be that it took courage and leadership to just flat-out admit that she can't bring it together in spite of her best efforts and it is time to move on. I can't think of many other leaders who have done something like that without dancing all over the place first.

Failing to deliver flagship policies generally mean people don't have to do much looking.

I think not going ahead was the right thing to do, but between this, Kiwibuild and the infrastructure issues, it does make you wonder whether they did any actual policy planning in opposition, or just sloganeering. After all, they had "nine long years" etc.

As far as I'm concerned, not proceeding is the smart, pragmatic thing to do. But they could have figured this out in opposition, and even then they could have made life substantially easier for themselves by not appointing Cullen to chair the TWG. I don't think they should be immune for criticism on this.

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#2220667 18-Apr-2019 15:23

No government should ever be immune from criticism. This one has made plenty of stuff-ups. Maybe they will learn from experience. I think JA is getting better but she may be dragged down by those around her. It will be interesting to see how things go from here.

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#2220823 18-Apr-2019 19:44

GV27:

Rikkitic:

People who keep looking for things to bash Jacinda Ardern with just look lamer and lamer. Another view might be that it took courage and leadership to just flat-out admit that she can't bring it together in spite of her best efforts and it is time to move on. I can't think of many other leaders who have done something like that without dancing all over the place first.

Failing to deliver flagship policies generally mean people don't have to do much looking.

I think not going ahead was the right thing to do, but between this, Kiwibuild and the infrastructure issues, it does make you wonder whether they did any actual policy planning in opposition, or just sloganeering. After all, they had "nine long years" etc.

As far as I'm concerned, not proceeding is the smart, pragmatic thing to do. But they could have figured this out in opposition, and even then they could have made life substantially easier for themselves by not appointing Cullen to chair the TWG. I don't think they should be immune for criticism on this.

Your words sound repetitious, hollow and meaningless to my ears.

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#2221431 20-Apr-2019 12:19

dwilson:

Your words sound repetitious, hollow and meaningless to my ears.

Do you actually have something to contribute? If not, why are you posting?

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#2222356 22-Apr-2019 19:32

GV27:

dwilson:

Your words sound repetitious, hollow and meaningless to my ears.

Do you actually have something to contribute? If not, why are you posting?

While I generally don't agree, your point is 110% valid. Why post "Your words sound repetitious, hollow and meaningless to my ears" without contributing to the debate?

I could post to anyone, you are all wrong I am right, Bye! IMHO when someone posts like the D guy, they actually do not have an answer. Otherwise they would insert the answer.

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#2228755 1-May-2019 14:50

Looks like the climate change legislation might be finally making progress.

Once again the question was: what does Winston want?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112353042/methane-emissions-deal-kick-starts-climate-change-legislation

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#2228850 1-May-2019 16:24

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112370005/ev-advocates-unimpressed-as-date-slips-for-cabinet-to-consider-new-incentives

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#2228894 1-May-2019 18:05

ockel:

Looks like the climate change legislation might be finally making progress.

Once again the question was: what does Winston want?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112353042/methane-emissions-deal-kick-starts-climate-change-legislation

Its a coalition, end of story.

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#2228896 1-May-2019 18:06

Right, because that seems tbe the excuse for everything.

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