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  #2198977 15-Mar-2019 18:31
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freitasm:

 

What Trump forgets is that the military swears allegiance to the constitution, not the president. These are not his personal troops.

 

 

Like any other deluded narcissistic racist tinpot dictator, Trump sincerely believes that they ARE his personal troops.  😕

 




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  #2199308 16-Mar-2019 07:55
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Trump has an interview with Breitbart where he says:

 

"I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

 

Trump tweets a link to Breitbart, since deleted.

 

Breitbart readers' comments on the terrorist massacre in New Zealand are pushing the line that this atrocity was the result of allowing multiculturalism, the same theme posted by a right-wing Australian politician yesterday on Twitter, and something not universally rejected but defended by quite a few people following that twitter thread.

 

Trumpism is linked to the movements that resulted in the Christchurch massacre, as evidenced by the words of one of the perpetrators praising Trump for his stance on racism. It doesn't matter if that was "just part of an incoherent rant". Trump does absolutely nothing to distance himself from violent fascist groups who vote for him.  He does not care - so long as they vote for him, he'll protect them by not rejecting their entire movement - yet Trump will condemn entire countries as sh*t-holes, entire ethnic groups as "rapists and murderers".

 

 

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  #2199309 16-Mar-2019 08:01
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Sideface:

 

Like any other deluded narcissistic racist tinpot dictator, Trump sincerely believes that they ARE his personal troops.  😕

 

 

With some good reason, those people also believe that they're his personal troops.

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  #2199320 16-Mar-2019 08:33
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/15/politics/trump-tweets-new-zealand-mueller/index.html

After New Zealand attack, Trump turns attention elsewhere
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As the world's attention is centered on the terrorist attacks in New Zealand, President Donald Trump has shifted his focus Friday, at least according to his Twitter account.

Trump expressed his "warmest sympathy" to the people of New Zealand in a Friday morning tweet after the White House released a statement condemning the mass shooting that left 49 dead and dozens injured, but then he moved on, issuing a series of tweets on various topics.

Trump referenced a segment on Jewish people leaving the Democratic party that aired in the 7 a.m. ET hour of "Fox and Friends" in one tweet. In another, he quoted someone's suggestion that an Obama-era team was working to spy on him in 2015.

Then, as the administration awaits the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, Trump claimed there "should be no Mueller report" at all.

"So, if there was knowingly & acknowledged to be 'zero' crime when the Special Counsel was appointed, and if the appointment was made based on the Fake Dossier (paid for by Crooked Hillary) and now disgraced Andrew McCabe (he & all stated no crime), then the Special Counsel (should) never have been appointed and there should be no Mueller Report. This was an illegal & conflicted investigation in search of a crime. Russian Collusion was nothing more than an excuse by the Democrats for losing an Election that they thought they were going to win. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO A PRESIDENT AGAIN!" he wrote in three consecutive tweets.

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  #2199336 16-Mar-2019 08:59
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The White House quickly rejected any link between the shooting and Trump.

 

"It's outrageous to even make that connection between this deranged individual that committed this evil crime to the president who has repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism and made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack,'' Mercedes Schlapp, the White House's director of strategic communication, told reporters.

 

 

  • The "deranged individual" comment is consistent with a trend.  Muslim assailants are condemned as terrorists immediately, when the assailants are right-wing and white, it's argued that they're "deranged".  This wasn't the action of an individual, but of a group.
  • The president may use the words apparently condemning racism/bigotry.  Racism / bigotry isn't a binary division, it's a position on a continuum.  From the part of the spectrum you're on, it's routine to condemn people more bigoted than as you see yourself (as "the least bigoted"). Truth is Trump facilitates bigotry and racism.  It's what he is.
  • AFAIK Trump himself hasn't used the "T" word (terrorism), and routinely does not use the terrorism word when the assailants are supporters of his agenda.

 

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  #2199359 16-Mar-2019 09:59
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Since its behind a paywall, I'm quoting extensively

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/white-house-denounces-act-of-hate-in-mosque-shooting/2019/03/15/c8612bdc-4746-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html

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White House denounces ‘act of hate’ in mosque shooting
By Jonathan Lemire

NEW YORK — President Donald Trump sent condolences Friday to the victims of the New Zealand mosque massacre, and the White House issued a statement denouncing the “vicious act of hate.”

The gunman accused of being behind at least one of the mosque shootings left a rambling manifesto that mentioned Trump in a single reference, calling him “a symbol of renewed white identity,” a connection the White House denounced as “outrageous.” The reference nonetheless cast an uncomfortable spotlight on the way that the president has been embraced by some on the far right.

The president tweeted Friday that his “warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured.”

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders went further in denouncing the shooter’s actions, with a statement that said the “United States strongly condemns the attack in Christchurch. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. We stand in solidarity with the people of New Zealand and their government against this vicious act of hate.”

The man accused of the shootings, whose name was not immediately released, left behind a 74-page document that outlined his motivations. He is a 28-year-old Australian white nationalist who hates immigrants and who was set off by attacks in Europe that were perpetrated by Muslims. He embraced Nazi imagery, voiced support for fascism and, at one point, cheered on Trump.

“Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?” was one of the questions the manifesto’s author posed to himself. His answer: “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”

Trump, who as a candidate proposed a ban on all Muslims entering the United States, has drawn criticism as being slow to condemn white supremacy and related violence.

After a 2017 clash between white nationalists and anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, that left one demonstrator dead, Trump said there were “very fine people on both sides” of the confrontation. He did not immediately reject the support of David Duke, a former KKK Grand Wizard, during his presidential campaign.

Trump’s hardline immigration rhetoric and calls to return America to its traditional past have been embraced by many on the conservative fringes, including those who troll online with racist imagery, as well as white supremacists who have looked to engage in violence.

In Florida, Cesar Sayoc, who had decorated his van with Trump propaganda, was accused of mailing explosives last fall to Democratic Party officials and media members, many of whom had been criticized by the president. The president said Sayoc had been “insane” long before he became a Trump fan.

Last month, a former Coast Guard official was accused of stockpiling weapons in a plot to kill media members and liberal politicians as part of a plan to transform the U.S. into a white ethno-state. It took more than a week for Trump to respond to the plot, which he deemed “a shame.”

The number of hate groups nationwide has risen significantly since Trump took office, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The White House quickly rejected any link between the shooting and Trump.

“It’s outrageous to even make that connection between this deranged individual that committed this evil crime to the president who has repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism and made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack,” Mercedes Schlapp, the White House’s director of strategic communication, told reporters. “We are there to support and stand with the people of New Zealand.”

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  #2199575 16-Mar-2019 15:24
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Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

CNN

"President Donald Trump says he does not see white nationalism as a rising threat around the world following an attack targeting Muslims in New Zealand that killed at least 49 people. CNN's analysts examine the facts."

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  #2199581 16-Mar-2019 15:31
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kingdragonfly: Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

 

He should really STFU at this time.  But of course he really doesn't care about anything at all except himself, as he's shown time and time again.

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  #2199585 16-Mar-2019 15:53
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kingdragonfly: Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

 

He should really STFU at this time.  But of course he really doesn't care about anything at all except himself, as he's shown time and time again.

 

 

...  and because he is a stable genius his opinion is always important.  ... and there are good people on both sides.   😕




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  #2199587 16-Mar-2019 15:56
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Well, the other side - the one with Nazis, white supremacists, nationalists, racists - never had a good person.




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  #2199919 17-Mar-2019 06:50
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The New York Times - ‘The President … Is Not Above the Law’

 

A New York court rules that the Constitution does not shield President Trump from allegations of misconduct before he took office.

 

The case has echoes of Paula Jones’s suit against President Clinton.

 

By The Editorial Board

 

The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

 

March 16, 2019

 

 

The legal travails of President Bill Clinton may soon haunt President Trump.

 

A New York appeals court on Thursday ruled that Mr. Trump, like Mr. Clinton before him, is not protected by the presidency from answering civil charges.

 

The five-judge panel in Manhattan said that the Constitution’s supremacy clause does not bar state courts from hearing claims over “alleged unofficial misconduct” - that is, claims of improper or illegal action before a president took office. ...

 




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  #2199920 17-Mar-2019 07:00
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Whew, that means a mafia boss, or any other heinous creature, can't become president to escape his crimes!! That's a relief.

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  #2200060 17-Mar-2019 10:33
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Today Fox news web site only had one article about New Zealand mosque attack.

This compares to legitimate news websites continued major coverage.

Here's the one article breakdown

1) a month ago Chelsea Clinton, daughter of the Clintons, posted about indirectly about Ilhan Omar

"We should expect all elected officials, regardless of party, and all public figures to not traffic in anti-Semitism"

2) An NYU student confronts Chelsea

"This right here is the result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world"

3) Donald Trump Jr tweets

"It’s sickening to see people blame Chelsea Clinton for the NZ attacks because she spoke out against anti-Semitism"

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  #2200067 17-Mar-2019 10:50
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Police says mosque can now reopen, although they'll keep an armed presence around them.




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