Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2211460 5-Apr-2019 18:45

This video is a deep look into the Barr summary of the Mueller report.

It's a bit technical, but if you're interested in the inner workings of the American legal system , you may enjoy it.

Mueller Report: The 9 Things That Don't Make Sense About the Barr Letter
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"Four pages summarizing the Mueller Report, signifying nothing? "

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#2211463 5-Apr-2019 19:08

kingdragonfly:

LegalEagle - Mueller Report: The 9 Things That Don't Make Sense About the Barr Letter

+1 Executive Summary: "Potential partisan whitewash" (quoted from LegalEagle)

(Comey, Putin, Mueller, Barr, Giuliani)

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#2211941 6-Apr-2019 21:47

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#2212047 7-Apr-2019 05:13

Trump's brain may actually be disintegrating.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2212050 7-Apr-2019 06:39

Rikkitic:

Trump's brain may actually be disintegrating.

Normal for people of his age.

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#2212053 7-Apr-2019 07:06

Trump's ex-colleagues open up about his history of lies
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#2212054 7-Apr-2019 07:14

Aggressive & Mean: Two Words Most Associated With Trump

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

Turns out that Trump's E-score, a personality test to determine likability, is alarmingly low.

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#2212124 7-Apr-2019 08:34

Bluntj:

Rikkitic:

Trump's brain may actually be disintegrating.

Normal for people of his age.

Strongly disagree.

Dementia is abnormal at any age, but the risk increases with age.

Trump's father, Fred, developed dementia in his 70s.

Trump is doing the same thing at the same age - but nothing about Trump is "normal".

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#2212152 7-Apr-2019 10:08

A snippet of actor John Lithgow Trump poetry from his upcoming book Dumpty: The Age of Trump in Verse.

The report was at hand and Dumpty was manic;
awash in a flood of distemper and panic;
At lush Mar-a-Lago, his Florida lair;
He braced for Bob Mueller, his ruthless Javert;

His heart skipped a beat when from distant DC;
Came a call from Bill Barr, his conniving AG;
Dumpty lurched from his bed with a ponderous groan;
and with trembling fingers, he picked up the phone.

“Good News!” Barr exclaimed. We’re home free, it’s a wash;
The report's a big nothing that’s easy to quash;
Thus began Barr's campaign to covertly impede it;
Since he, only he, was entitled to read it;

In fact, he just gave it a cursory glance;
but that hadn’t thwarted his victory dance;
Nor forestalled his appalling misrepresentation;
proclaiming the POTUS’s exoneration.

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#2212184 7-Apr-2019 11:21

Bluntj:

Normal for people of his age.

I resent that. Typical dismissive remark from someone not his age.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2212305 7-Apr-2019 16:16

So here's the short version of the Mueller Report release.

Mueller wrote a report, with various summaries. The public summary was already "clean", removing any secret information, or any information that was cause problems with a current investigation.

Trump hand picked attorney general ignored the public summary, and chose to write his own.

The attorney general reason was every page, including the Mueller's team public summary, had "confidential" on it.

Obviously if a section say "for public release" it means that section is confidentiality would expire as soon as Barr received it.

Historically this is not the first time a president tried this trick. Richard Nixon did not want to give his recordings to the special council. Nixon chose a friendly, and literally hard-of-hearing friend the task of listening to the recordings, and give a summary to the special council. Nixon chose the exact reasons that Trump is using now.

...and it didn't work for Nixon...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/barrs-stunt-has-backfired/

William Barr’s stunt has backfired
Washington Post
By Jennifer Rubin

Had Barr requested the federal court overseeing the grand jury to allow transmission of the report to Congress — as was done in Watergate — or sent along Mueller’s summaries, all of this could have been avoided. (“Some on the special counsel’s team were also frustrated that summaries they had prepared for different sections of the report — with the view that they could be made public fairly quickly — were not released by Barr, two people familiar with the matter said.”)

The Justice Department seems to be engaged in prolonged gamesmanship both to keep the report bottled up and to rationalize Barr’s interference with Congress’s right to see the information. Once it became known that “the summaries the Mueller team had prepared were intended to be ready for public consumption in a timely manner, because the redactions could have been done fairly quickly,” the Justice Department had to respond.

However, its retort was too cute by half. “Justice spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said in a statement Thursday that every page of Mueller’s confidential report was marked with a notation that it may contain confidential grand jury material, adding that it ‘therefore could not be publicly released.’” That’s nonresponsive and misleading. The summaries, according to the prosecutors, were prepared in such a form to allow quick transmission (e.g. attach them to Barr’s original letter). Barr refused to do this, just as he has refused to request the court give permission to send the whole report to Congress.

Why would Barr behave in such an underhanded fashion? We can only surmise from his 19-page memo sent to the Justice Department before his appointment that either as a partisan defending Trump or as a lawyer wedded to an excessively broad definition of executive power Barr has never thought that the Mueller probe was legitimate. (Apparently, the entire inquiry into Richard Nixon’s obstruction of justice never struck Barr as a seminal demonstration of the principle that even the president is not above the law.)

Of course Mueller was not going to reach a decision to indict or not; Justice Department regulations specifically prohibit indictment. Mueller wasn’t inviting Barr to make the call as far as we know, for why would he think Barr had any grounds to opine on an indictment when the Justice Department had taken indictment off the table? Barr’s personal exoneration was partisan showmanship in the extreme, a move that endeared him to his boss and the right wing, which both declared victory.

The victory was temporary, however. Most or all of the report will make its way to Congress. Barr and/or Mueller will testify, and Mueller will describe how he compiled the report, why he prepared the summaries and why he did not render a judgment on indictment. Barr has spun away his credibility and will be accused (rightly) of overstepping his bounds, adopting a partisan tone and hiding critical information about Trump from the public.

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#2212560 8-Apr-2019 08:44

The Washington Post - Scrutiny and suspicion as Mueller report undergoes redaction

April 7 (extracts)

The escalating political battle over special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report centers on redactions - a lawyerly editing process that has angered distrustful Democrats eager to see the all evidence and conclusions from his 22-month investigation of President Trump’s conduct and Russia’s elaborate interference operation during the 2016 election.

Attorney General William P. Barr is redacting at least four categories of information from the report, which spans nearly 400 pages, before issuing it to Congress and the public.

Legal experts say he has wide discretion to determine what should not be revealed, meaning the fight over blacked-out boxes is likely to spawn months of fights between Congress and the Justice Department, and it may end up in the courts. ...

Barr is working with Rosenstein, Mueller and their key aides to produce an edited version of the report.

In a March 29 letter to lawmakers, he spelled out four areas that would be redacted:

grand jury material, which could include any documents and testimony presented;
information that could reveal the government’s intelligence-gathering sources or methods;
information that could compromise ongoing investigations; and
details that would violate the privacy of those deemed “peripheral” to the investigation. ...

Mueller’s investigators issued more than 2,800 subpoenas and executed nearly 500 search warrants, so the potential grand jury material is voluminous. ...

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#2212741 8-Apr-2019 12:02

Rikkitic:

Bluntj:

Normal for people of his age.

I resent that. Typical dismissive remark from someone not his age.

LOL.

But ain't age a PIA? By the time you've learnt enough to make intelligent decisions, the only thing you can really control is your bedroom TV 🤓.

Trump crowned? No faux King way!

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#2212787 8-Apr-2019 12:55

geekIT:

Rikkitic:

Bluntj:

Normal for people of his age.

I resent that. Typical dismissive remark from someone not his age.

LOL.

But ain't age a PIA? By the time you've learnt enough to make intelligent decisions, the only thing you can really control is your bedroom TV 🤓.

And sometimes that is a challenge as well😃

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#2212795 8-Apr-2019 13:05

geekIT:
Rikkitic:

Bluntj:

Normal for people of his age.

I resent that. Typical dismissive remark from someone not his age.

LOL.

But ain't age a PIA? By the time you've learnt enough to make intelligent decisions, the only thing you can really control is your bedroom TV 🤓.

In Trump's case you can get away with that in this topic. For application to everyone else - citation needed.

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