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#1840559 7-Aug-2017 13:36

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Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

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#1840560 7-Aug-2017 13:41

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

By the same token it would be extremely easy for a government to ruin the economy...

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#1840572 7-Aug-2017 14:00

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

By the same token it would be extremely easy for a government to ruin the economy...

Excluding global factors, not that easy. We could encourage immigration which is good for the economy, and ignore the effect on housing prices, thats ruined many people's ability to have their own home. We could also ignore the road and transport infrastructure in AKL, where many immigrants settle, and end up with real congestion issues that should have been managed over these years. Yes, maybe you're right

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#1840638 7-Aug-2017 16:02

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

By the same token it would be extremely easy for a government to ruin the economy...

Excluding global factors, not that easy. We could encourage immigration which is good for the economy, and ignore the effect on housing prices, thats ruined many people's ability to have their own home. We could also ignore the road and transport infrastructure in AKL, where many immigrants settle, and end up with real congestion issues that should have been managed over these years. Yes, maybe you're right

They could raise taxes, duties, levies etc to deleterious levels pretty fast if they felt like it, too.

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#1840639 7-Aug-2017 16:05

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Uh What?

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#1840640 7-Aug-2017 16:09

tdgeek:

The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

LOL. This is a classic.

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#1840646 7-Aug-2017 16:25

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

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#1840647 7-Aug-2017 16:27

Pumpedd:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

I'm guessing (hoping?) that he was perhaps being sarcastic? I mean some stuff is cyclical, but hardly everything. We fared much better than most compared to our US overlords!

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#1840655 7-Aug-2017 16:52

networkn:

Pumpedd:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

I'm guessing (hoping?) that he was perhaps being sarcastic? I mean some stuff is cyclical, but hardly everything. We fared much better than most compared to our US overlords!

The US still has a problem with $20 trillion debt, and we have a problem for the next decade or more to pay for the infrastructure we need to cope with the population increase through immigration, as well as clean-up of our filthy rivers thanks to the dairy boom, the government debt of 50% GDP, then the ~200% of GDP private debt that borrowers have poured into the housing bubble and over-priced farms. NZ has fared okay - so far, but the GFC isn't really over yet.

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#1840662 7-Aug-2017 17:07

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networkn:

Pumpedd:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

I'm guessing (hoping?) that he was perhaps being sarcastic? I mean some stuff is cyclical, but hardly everything. We fared much better than most compared to our US overlords!

The US still has a problem with $20 trillion debt, and we have a problem for the next decade or more to pay for the infrastructure we need to cope with the population increase through immigration, as well as clean-up of our filthy rivers thanks to the dairy boom, the government debt of 50% GDP, then the ~200% of GDP private debt that borrowers have poured into the housing bubble and over-priced farms. NZ has fared okay - so far, but the GFC isn't really over yet.

One of our biggest issue financially is preparation for climate change, we are doing very little and some of our cities are facing major issue in the not too distant future.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1840831 7-Aug-2017 22:16

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

By the same token it would be extremely easy for a government to ruin the economy...

Excluding global factors, not that easy. We could encourage immigration which is good for the economy, and ignore the effect on housing prices, thats ruined many people's ability to have their own home. We could also ignore the road and transport infrastructure in AKL, where many immigrants settle, and end up with real congestion issues that should have been managed over these years. Yes, maybe you're right

They could raise taxes, duties, levies etc to deleterious levels pretty fast if they felt like it, too.

There are two types of voters.

1. The voter that ALWAYS votes National or LABOUR. Always. These voters add nothing to the election. Nothing, its a null vote.

2. Floating. These can be generally National voters (like me) but vote Labour as Nats do nothing, or Labs have spunk and are get ahead. Or Nats have boring stability, and Labs are inexperienced. These are the only voters that keep Governments, or change them.

IIRC you stated that you can vote years ahead? Your vote doesnt matter.

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#1840834 7-Aug-2017 22:18

networkn:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Uh What?

Simple and self explanatory I thought. What needs clarifying?

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#1840836 7-Aug-2017 22:22

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tdgeek:

The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

LOL. This is a classic.

Childish. If you cannot understand, ask. If your a standard voter who does not look past red or blue, also ask. As per my following post, your vote doesnt actually count.

You need to learn to discuss. I don't know how many times you have been told, and over how many threads.

Pray tell, who do I normally vote for?

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#1840838 7-Aug-2017 22:28

networkn:

Pumpedd:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

I'm guessing (hoping?) that he was perhaps being sarcastic? I mean some stuff is cyclical, but hardly everything. We fared much better than most compared to our US overlords!

Not sarcastic at all. 2 voter types. The diehard National and the diehard Labour. None of which can manage a political discussion. Both are stuck. And cannot discuss as the red/blue is ingrained. That is why when the ruling party changes, its not your vote, its the vote of those that choose based on leadership, policies and so on.

Not on standard, and un qualified votes.

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#1840839 7-Aug-2017 22:33

MikeB4:

Fred99:

networkn:

Pumpedd:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Yep, a real vibrant economy with people sleeping on the streets and living in their cars and mental health services in a state of collapse and people dying from synthetic weed while the Dear Leader insists there is nothing to see here so everything will just carry on as before. Steady hands, real world experience, right direction, hallelujah praise the catholic lord!

At the end of the day, those things are, regrettably but necessarily, less important than the economy as a whole. Without a sound economy, there will be no funds to pay to fix any of those things, ever.

Remember, a sound NZ economy cannot be hailed as any Govt's good work. We a5re so small we are a blip on the global economy, we ride that wave. The current Govt is reactionary, and they believe in allowing the market to rule. So the globe and the and the NZ markets rule. Not a lot to manage there, its being self managed.

Not sure you live on the same planet as me.

I'm guessing (hoping?) that he was perhaps being sarcastic? I mean some stuff is cyclical, but hardly everything. We fared much better than most compared to our US overlords!

The US still has a problem with $20 trillion debt, and we have a problem for the next decade or more to pay for the infrastructure we need to cope with the population increase through immigration, as well as clean-up of our filthy rivers thanks to the dairy boom, the government debt of 50% GDP, then the ~200% of GDP private debt that borrowers have poured into the housing bubble and over-priced farms. NZ has fared okay - so far, but the GFC isn't really over yet.

One of our biggest issue financially is preparation for climate change, we are doing very little and some of our cities are facing major issue in the not too distant future.

The current Govt has no interest. While I would NOT want the Greens to govern, its the eco area they excel (but not the socialist bend). Maybe a little.

National is based on market forces, and climate change and market forces do not co exist. Not until 80 years when coal and oil is not worth it. That is IMHO irresponsible.

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