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#2541338 14-Aug-2020 20:26

@pvjones: Regarding Tara Reade, there are a lot of videos on YouTube about this issue. After watching many of them I believe her to be credible.

And YouTube is your "source"?

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#2541378 14-Aug-2020 22:25

I saw part of an interesting article on Al Jazeera the other day, discussing Rupert Murdoch, his media empire and his affinity for right-wing politicians with neoliberal policies.

The article included Malcolm Turnbull from Australia and his complaints about his treatment by the Murdoch media. Basically, if Murdoch doesn't like you or your politics, he sets his rabid talk shows on you. These talks shows, on Fox and so on, are not news shows based on fact, they are opinion based shows where presenters are allowed to rant on at length unrestricted by facts or evidence.

These cancerous shows unceasingly spread lies and mistruths aimed at the credibility of anyone who stands in the way of Murdoch or his friends, whether they are conservative politicians, mine magnates or climate deniers.

We're lucky not to have Murdoch's empire operating in New Zealand. Unfortunately his efforts still create doubt in the minds of enough people to stop meaningful progress on things like climate change policies or to maintain some support for Trump.

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#2541422 15-Aug-2020 07:59

re Fox News, I watched Bombshell a few months ago. Very interesting to see what happened (and may still be happening) behind the scenes at that company.

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#2541493 15-Aug-2020 11:17

There has recently been a 3 part series on the BBC about the Murdochs. It's probably still on IPlayer.

Worth a watch.

The guy is just the lowest of the low. Hopefully when he's gone (which shouldn't be long now) the so called empire will crumble as his successors just don't have his drive or the personality to maintain the power and the influence. In reality it's a one-man show.

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#2541591 15-Aug-2020 13:16

Trump amplifies racist conspiracy over Kamala Harris' eligibility to be vice president

CBS This Morning

President Trump did not denounce a racist, false accusation that Senator Kamala Harris isn't eligible to run for vice president. The Biden-Harris team is hitting back on a different front, insisting on a national mask mandate. Ed O'Keefe reports.

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#2548059 23-Aug-2020 11:55

Interesting analysis of how Biden won the nomination, despite screwing a fair few things up:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/20/joe-biden-campaign-5-moments-399544

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#2549388 25-Aug-2020 12:15

Read a similar based article yesterday re citizens supportung Biden even though they arew Republicans. Took with a fe grains of salt though, but this seem big

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300090475/go-joe-former-republican-lawmakers-say-theyll-support-joe-biden-over-donald-trump

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#2549667 25-Aug-2020 21:04

nathan: She's not going to excite young people, she's not going to excite younger people of color in particular - all the ones that voted for Sanders, and have nothing ideologically similar with Biden/Harris - they'll end up staying home or voting for Trump. Some will even be rightly offended that the Dem Establishment thinks you can take Kamala, with a trailblazing identity, but who has, throughout their career stood against any of the principles of the protest movement across America at the moment - that you would pick someone on the other side of that debate, is a kick in the face

She is fully bought into a corporatist neoliberal agenda, meanwhile a historic 2016 election soundly rejected such neoliberalism

Harris supported and co-sponsored Sanders' healthcare bill. During the primary Harris was offering much more than Biden when it came to healthcare. I think you're dead wrong. You have a vp candidate who will be advocating and gathering support for better provision of healthcare in America.

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#2549670 25-Aug-2020 21:21

nathan: locking up the poor, while allowing the rich to loot with impunity, is pretty polarizing

This will be a tough one. Elected DAs and AGs like Harris was almost always try to maintain a tough on crime persona, including resisting sentence appeals and things like that as a default reaction. On the plus side Harris did establish something similar to a diversion and mentoring scheme which both kept young people out of prison crime uni and was successful in reducing reoffending compared to prison so win/win for everyone.

I assume the other comment refers to decisions made during her terms in relation to consumer law violations committed by a bank operated by Mnuchin. There are several perspectives on that including some very plausible defences.

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#2549675 25-Aug-2020 21:49

gzt:
nathan: She's not going to excite young people, she's not going to excite younger people of color in particular - all the ones that voted for Sanders, and have nothing ideologically similar with Biden/Harris - they'll end up staying home or voting for Trump. Some will even be rightly offended that the Dem Establishment thinks you can take Kamala, with a trailblazing identity, but who has, throughout their career stood against any of the principles of the protest movement across America at the moment - that you would pick someone on the other side of that debate, is a kick in the face

She is fully bought into a corporatist neoliberal agenda, meanwhile a historic 2016 election soundly rejected such neoliberalism

Harris supported and co-sponsored Sanders' healthcare bill. During the primary Harris was offering much more than Biden when it came to healthcare. I think you're dead wrong. You have a vp candidate who will be advocating and gathering support for better provision of healthcare in America.

Stop feeding the troll. His record on here is obvious and easily accessible.

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#2554941 1-Sep-2020 16:23

quickymart:

Interesting analysis of how Biden won the nomination, despite screwing a fair few things up:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/20/joe-biden-campaign-5-moments-399544

its amazing how this article claims the party that rigged its Primaries, closed polling locations and decided delegates by coin flips, is the party of democracy

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#2554993 1-Sep-2020 17:21

Where does it say they rigged them? Sorry, I didn't read that anywhere in the article.

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#2555001 1-Sep-2020 17:31

See above. Don't feed the troll.

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#2555309 2-Sep-2020 03:40

Rikkitic:

See above. Don't feed the troll.

There is nothing trolling about stating facts. If you think the DNC didn't rig its Primaries, close polling locations or decide delegates by coin flips, then you weren't paying attention.

I don't know why you would just choose to believe what Politico has to say about how a Dem establishment candidate "won" their nomination.

This is the publication that chose to photoshop money growing on trees, next to a photo in an article "Bernie Sanders might still be cheap, but he’s sure not poor," promulgating anti-Semitic tropes of both cheap Jews and rich Jews.

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#2555310 2-Sep-2020 04:16

quickymart:

Where does it say they rigged them? Sorry, I didn't read that anywhere in the article.

It doesn't say that, because that publication wants to gaslight us into thinking the primaries are democratic.

The Dem establishment have proven they will do, and say anything, to stop any substantive progressive campaign. They are tied to their big donors, to Wall St, and to the military budget, almost all of the Dems voted for Trumps 20% military budget increase. Its very clear they are not going to allow a Peoples movement to startup in any dominant way. In that sense they are just like any other ruling class, any other elites in power.

If the Dems lose in November, they shouldn't be forgiven for not learning lessons from 2016, running Hilary 2.0 because of their propaganda of Joe's "electability". Here we are now heading into Labor day and the election is turning into a toss-up . Trying to get turnout for a guy that doesn't excite, a guy that thumbs his nose at young and working class people, says he can win without them.

This is a rerun of the 2016 losing playbook. Every breath they spend on "Trump is bad, Trump is killing democracy, Trump is an existential threat" is wasted, it might be true, but they're not convincing anyone to change their votes.

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