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#2243936 23-May-2019 16:34

I am not concerned as to the current mob increasing crown debt within reason. However there is two issues that do concern me:

What are they going to waste it on? Perhaps more kiwibuild prop ups rather than fix the health system as promised
They did also promise a ceiling of borrowing and now have lied about going through that ceiling rather than just stating the obvious truths and giving valid reasoning for it.

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#2243941 23-May-2019 16:46

Bluntj:

I am not concerned as to the current mob increasing crown debt within reason. However there is two issues that do concern me:

What are they going to waste it on? Perhaps more kiwibuild prop ups rather than fix the health system as promised
They did also promise a ceiling of borrowing and now have lied about going through that ceiling rather than just stating the obvious truths and giving valid reasoning for it.

Mob? Lol ok then

1. I guess whatever they do you will class it as waste? Kiwibuold won't be propped up, thats political suicide. Infrastructure is to me, the only thing that extra debt can be spent oil. Assets we need, that includes hydro. Funding tax cuts, no.

2. Lied? How so? They promised a formula under their fiscal responsibility banner (aka we are Labour we will stop throwing out lollies for a change). When that period has ended, they can borrow if they see a need too. If the benefits are there, subject to whatever else is going on globally.

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#2243945 23-May-2019 17:02

Yes, don't call them a mob! They aren't anywhere near as organized as that! (Relax, it's just a joke).

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#2243997 23-May-2019 17:29

Relaxed, as requested!

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#2244185 23-May-2019 20:25

Right now the Govt has the following infra projects under consideration:

1) A Port strategy and North Auckland line rejuvenation.

2) Light Rail within the next 9 years for Auckland to the South and Northwest, as well as some of the Central branches that were initially proposed.

3) Get Wellington Moving

4) A Regional Rapid Rail scheme within the Golden Triangle

5) Road network resilience programmes in the CNI and Kaikoura area.

6) A bunch of work in the Wellington region already on the backburner (Welly, Transmission Gully).

7) Dunedin hospital.

There's probably about an extra $20bn of work there at the very least that will have productive results for years to come. It's also a predictable pipeline of work for our industrial sector. You can add another two billion or so to that for Light Rail to Auckland's North Shore when the time comes.

The point is, there is definitely the potential for this money to be used on really badly needed stuff that will go on making us richer as time goes by.

There's also the potential for it to be squandered on operational, non-strategic items that are more about our three year election cycle than about improving New Zealand.

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#2244300 23-May-2019 22:53

GV27:

Right now the Govt has the following infra projects under consideration:

1) A Port strategy and North Auckland line rejuvenation.

2) Light Rail within the next 9 years for Auckland to the South and Northwest, as well as some of the Central branches that were initially proposed.

3) Get Wellington Moving

4) A Regional Rapid Rail scheme within the Golden Triangle

5) Road network resilience programmes in the CNI and Kaikoura area.

6) A bunch of work in the Wellington region already on the backburner (Welly, Transmission Gully).

7) Dunedin hospital.

There's probably about an extra $20bn of work there at the very least that will have productive results for years to come. It's also a predictable pipeline of work for our industrial sector. You can add another two billion or so to that for Light Rail to Auckland's North Shore when the time comes.

The point is, there is definitely the potential for this money to be used on really badly needed stuff that will go on making us richer as time goes by.

There's also the potential for it to be squandered on operational, non-strategic items that are more about our three year election cycle than about improving New Zealand.

Transmission Gully is almost complete..hardly on the back burner. Get Wellingtom Moving was pure smoke and mirrors and Twyford has no intention of beginning this. In fact it hasnt been costed. If it does proceed it is 2 decades out.

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#2244302 23-May-2019 23:11

This govt is doing things. The negators will criticise by default. Much criticism is wellfounded, much is not. The bottom line is, faults or not, things are being done. Or planned to be done. That is better, IMO, than the stand back approach. There is no housing crisis, we give money to health every budget an so on.

I dont see it lowering itself to buy votes. They can do things, make progress, make mistakes and get measured. Labour buys votes, but they stopped tax cuts. That we cannot afford. Both parties are centrist, more so now than before. Budget is shortly, that will give a guide.

They do need to break Kiwibuild down though, admit defeat, thats easily spinnable. It can wind down, focus on the RMA.

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#2244303 23-May-2019 23:15

Bluntj:

Transmission Gully is almost complete..hardly on the back burner. Get Wellingtom Moving was pure smoke and mirrors and Twyford has no intention of beginning this. In fact it hasnt been costed. If it does proceed it is 2 decades out.

Do you have link for that, I must have missed it. Im not sure how no intention matches with if it does proceed.

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#2244356 24-May-2019 06:47

Bluntj:

Transmission Gully is almost complete..hardly on the back burner. Get Wellingtom Moving was pure smoke and mirrors and Twyford has no intention of beginning this. In fact it hasnt been costed. If it does proceed it is 2 decades out.

My understanding was the main road itself was mostly done but there was some connecting works that weren't included due to to cost reasons? Or am I conflating this with another Wellington project.

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#2244400 24-May-2019 09:11

GV27:

Bluntj:

Transmission Gully is almost complete..hardly on the back burner. Get Wellingtom Moving was pure smoke and mirrors and Twyford has no intention of beginning this. In fact it hasnt been costed. If it does proceed it is 2 decades out.

My understanding was the main road itself was mostly done but there was some connecting works that weren't included due to to cost reasons? Or am I conflating this with another Wellington project.

A huge intersection in Lower Hutt has been delayed and once Transmission Gully opens will be a huge bottle neck. Totally nonsense decision to delay it.

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#2244515 24-May-2019 11:58

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112966892/questions-over-relationship-between-pm-jacinda-ardern-and-highpowered-lobbyist

Could be completely above board... or not.

People should just not put themselves in these positions in my view.

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#2244517 24-May-2019 12:06

Yes, I thought that too, but if being elected PM, or Mayor, or any public office, do we expect them to disband any friendships? Politicians especially, know many many people. This particular one, will undergo public scrutiny which is fair enough

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#2244520 24-May-2019 12:23

Country's too small; this was a beatup under Key and it's a beatup under Ardern.

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#2244570 24-May-2019 13:36

Pre budget speech

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/112954644/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-gives-prebudget-speech-in-auckland

Notably:

-Speaking at an Auckland event co-hosted by the Employers and Manufacturers Association and BusinessNZ

- Robertson said the new range, (15-25% on GDP) which would come into effect following the expiry of the Budget Responsibility Rules in 2022, took into account the need for the Government to be flexible so it could respond to economic conditions and unforseen "shocks" to the economy.

- Ardern said in her speech on Friday that it would meet all its Budget Responsibility Rules.

- The International Monetary Fund predicts New Zealand would grow at about 2.5 per cent in 2019 and 2.9 per cent in 2020, and our economy was projected to grow faster than the US, the UK, Japan, Canada, the Eurozone and Australia

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#2244571 24-May-2019 13:46

tdgeek:

Yes, I thought that too, but if being elected PM, or Mayor, or any public office, do we expect them to disband any friendships? Politicians especially, know many many people. This particular one, will undergo public scrutiny which is fair enough

When you accept a position of huge responsibility, especially one open to wide scrutiny, there is a distance you are required to create to avoid the appearance of impropriety. It's clear she hasn't done this.

It reminds me of a West Wing Episode where the Presidents oldest friend visits him in the Oval office on business. He asks the President how he should address him, and after giving it a moments thought replies that he prefers his friend calls him Mr President so that both of them can understand the difference between their personal relationship and his professional one.

No-one is suggesting the PM can't have friends. Having said that, being PM, even in NZ, requires a willingness to make sacrifices to meet a standard much higher than that of the average person.

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